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You can come into the city offices and view them all day long. Nothing in the law requires them to be available in an electronic format on the web.
 
mtlogcabin said:
You can come into the city offices and view them all day long. Nothing in the law requires them to be available in an electronic format on the web.
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That's great for people with a photographic memory, not so much so for the rest of us.

Maybe Tiger could solve all of his problems by escorting his contractors into his office and showing them the code, just say: "Here it is memorize it, I don't want to see problems anymore when I go to your jobsites."
 
Playing the devil's advocate here - if you offer other publications online (ie. checklists (especially if they pertain to the building code), permit forms, Planning Commission agendas/minutes, zoning codes, etc.) but not the codes are you not denying the "rights" of contractors/architects/engineers/etc. from enjoying those provided with what IS online? Not trying to argue, but since we live in such a PC world now ....
 
MtnArch said:
Playing the devil's advocate here - if you offer other publications online (ie. checklists (especially if they pertain to the building code), permit forms, Planning Commission agendas/minutes, zoning codes, etc.) but not the codes are you not denying the "rights" of contractors/architects/engineers/etc. from enjoying those provided with what IS online? Not trying to argue, but since we live in such a PC world now ....
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I would say no. A city has so many rules, it would be hard to put everything on line
 
MtnArch said:
Playing the devil's advocate here - if you offer other publications online (ie. checklists (especially if they pertain to the building code), permit forms, Planning Commission agendas/minutes, zoning codes, etc.) but not the codes are you not denying the "rights" of contractors/architects/engineers/etc. from enjoying those provided with what IS online? Not trying to argue, but since we live in such a PC world now ....
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generally, the document has to be readily accessible. Since we are talking about a municipality with a relatively fixed area, having a code that is available for review at a the city hall would probably be seen as reasonable for most judges. Now, if we were talking about state or federal...that would be an interesting argument since many people would not be in a position to travel to where they would be able to review the code for free.
 
tmurray said:
generally, the document has to be readily accessible. Since we are talking about a municipality with a relatively fixed area, having a code that is available for review at a the city hall would probably be seen as reasonable for most judges. Now, if we were talking about state or federal...that would be an interesting argument since many people would not be in a position to travel to where they would be able to review the code for free.
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In California, The codes must be available at the building departments and in public libraries. Becomes a problem when the libraries have outdated or inaccurate codes. Most libraries, in CA, are county operated and do not update the codes.
 
mark handler said:
In California, The codes must be available at the building departments and in public libraries. Becomes a problem when the libraries have outdated or inaccurate codes. Most libraries, in CA, are county operated and do not update the codes.
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The city building department does not supply a copy to the libraries ??
 
Here the State has the Amendments online at their website. We have them in the office and the library. Then we tell people they can access the Icodes @ the ICC website.
 
Consider that "open" access to "all" codes would make it far easier to backtrack older codes and regulations for existing buildings vs my many lineal feet of shelf space on which to house my holdings.
Also you could then have them with you on your tablet or I phone at all times.
Makes "cents", no?
 
Individuals have a right to be able to know the laws they must comply with.

At a certain point the cost and other barriers of accessing the building and related codes makes it literally impossible to know what the laws are.
 
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