Mag hold opens

[Tim Cannon]

If I am reading the code right the Glynn Johnson 280 is OK to use on corridor doors; but not on corridor to open areas. Going on that assumtion I have recommened to the architect that he use wall hold opens. He is refusing to change it so I told them we will supply the units but will not install into the open areas. They have a few in corridors but they also have 2 leading into a large open dining area. Am I correct in the code on these units?

 

[cda]

What code and edition are you under?

Are all these rated doors?

Not sure why you think you cannot use a door holder on any of the doors?

As long as they meet the release criteria should be good to go

You can ask the door guru;;

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[Tim Cannon]

The way it reads is mag HO need to be tied into the alarm system , then it makes an exemption for the 280. But, it clearly says it is not good going into open areas. Maybe Lori can help...

 

[cda]

Oh one of those;;

SensaGuard

Would have to see any limitations from the manufacture

I could see if they are in a large room with high ceiling going into a corridor

But not in a corridor going into a large room

Do not have 72 in front of me

 

[cda]

72 says install per manufacture specs

So need to see what they say

Where they allow it

http://www.accesshardware.com/files/whatsnew/Glynn%20Johnson%20Sensaguard%20Now%20Available.pdf

sorry cannot find the limitations

 

[jpranch]

Saw this topic and just had to post this picture I took this morning just outside my office. How do you fix a broken Maglock? Why just use the old rubber wedge of course. :banghd :banghd :banghd

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[LGreene]

I looked into the use of a Sensaguard before, in relation to the requirement for monitored smoke detectors. The discussion, including the answer from NFPA on the NFPA 72 requirements, is here: http://www.thebuildingcodeforum.com/forum/door-hardware-forum-sponsored-ingersoll-rand-security-technologies/8636-door-holder-stand-alone-smoke-detector.html

What is it about the open areas that is an issue? If you give me a code reference I'll check it out.

Here are a couple more magnetic holders for you:

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[cda]

Is there anything from the manufacture as far as where they can be located, say into relationship to a ceiling??

I could see if they are installed on the room side, where say the ceiling is 18 feet above the detector. More than likely if a fire starts in that room, the door will not close.

Verses a spot detector that would be required to be mounted on the ceiling normally

 

[Tim Cannon]

Charles, it looks like I got my info from you. See your posting Lori referenced. Maybe I interpreted it wrong. Where it says ' Exception; not for open area protection'. As this is for a corridor into a large dining area, I figured that since it was going into an open area it would not qualify.

 

[cda]

what they mean by not for open area protection, is that they cannot be subsituted for smoke detectors. If a fire alarm system was being designed for a large room with smoke detectors through out it, the Glynn Johnson 280 cannot be counted as far as coverage in that room.

I still wonder if the manufacture has more specs out there as far as how they should be installed, besides how to mount and wire them??????

Just like a smoke detecor has requiements on how to install and where they can be located on a wall or ceiling, I am thinking maybe these do also??

But it maybe like the doors with a fusible link on the closure, maybe they do not!, and the building burns down and the door is still open!