Need some flexibility with plumbing fixtures vs gender

[steveray]

2018 update.....2902.1.2 now gets you out of the M/F in single users...

required plumbing fixtures for a building or tenant space.
Single-user toilet facilities and bathing rooms, and family
or assisted-use toilet rooms and bathing rooms shall be
identified for use by either sex.

And you can get out of some accessibility...

3. Where multiple single-user toilet rooms or bathing
rooms are clustered at a single location, at least 50
percent but not less than one room for each use at
each cluster shall be accessible.

 

[Sifu]

2018 update.....2902.1.2 now gets you out of the M/F in single users...

required plumbing fixtures for a building or tenant space.
Single-user toilet facilities and bathing rooms, and family
or assisted-use toilet rooms and bathing rooms shall be
identified for use by either sex.

And you can get out of some accessibility...

3. Where multiple single-user toilet rooms or bathing
rooms are clustered at a single location, at least 50
percent but not less than one room for each use at
each cluster shall be accessible.

Interesting. I wasn't interpreting this section that way. When it says "either sex" I don't read it as "both", therefore it must be either M or F, and adhere to the required number for each. The commentary doesn't really help, but it does give several examples, all of which indicate that each room must be either M or F. But I do see a little ambiguity here. Might be a good candidate for an interpretation if one hasn't already been asked for.

 

[steveray]

ICC is attempting to keep up with the gender fluid/ neutral movement....2021 may clear it up more...Maybe it will say "any gender or lack thereof"...

 

[mtlogcabin]

You do have to adhere to the required number for each and you have to round up to achieve the correct number. The big mistake I have seen is the designer wants to include a urinal in the same single user water closet room and have it count as one of the required fixtures. I do not allow it because logically the room is used by one person at a time.

 

[mtlogcabin]

No back to the original post about is a urinal required. It might be locally or state amendment. Our state requires a urinal in addition to the 1st water closet for places that serve food and/or drink.

g. Food service establishments or any establishment that sells alcoholic beverages for on-site consumption requires at least one urinal

 

[classicT]

No back to the original post about is a urinal required. It might be locally or state amendment. Our state requires a urinal in addition to the 1st water closet for places that serve food and/or drink.

g. Food service establishments or any establishment that sells alcoholic beverages for on-site consumption requires at least one urinal

Washington State has a similar amendment; however, Wisconsin does not have a similar amendment. See SPS 362.2902 as follows.

SPS 362.2902 Plumbing fixtures.
(1)  Minimum number of fixtures.
(a) Exceptions. These are department exceptions to the requirements in IBC section 2902.1:
1. Where more than one water closet is required for males, urinals may be substituted for up to 50 percent of the required number of water closets, except that urinals may be substituted for up to 67 percent of the required number of water closets in Group A and E occupancies.
2. Where drinking fountains are required, other reasonable alternatives are acceptable, as approved by the department.
3. For child day care facilities, bathtubs or showers are not required where other personal hygiene washing arrangements are provided that satisfy the licensing requirements of the Wisconsin department of health services.
4. For day nurseries and child day care facilities, children under the age of 30 months need not be considered as a part of the occupant load used to determine the minimum number of water closets.
5. Service sinks may be omitted for any occupancy where privies have been substituted for water closets under s. SPS 362.2900 (1) (a) 2.(b) Additional fixtures. These are department informational notes to be used under IBC sections 2902.1 and 2902.2: Note: Additional plumbing fixtures may be required for employees by the U.S. department of labor, occupational safety and health act (OSHA) regulations.
Note: Additional plumbing fixtures may be required by the department of health services for restaurants, mobile home parks, camping grounds, camping resorts, recreational camps and educational camps.
Note: Chapter SPS 390 also has requirements for minimum numbers of sanitary fixtures for a public swimming pool, as based on the pool area. For some buildings, the minimum number of sanitary fixtures determined in that manner may be larger than the minimum number determined in accordance with this section. Compliance with this section does not relieve an owner from complying with ch. SPS 390.
Note: Chapter SPS 391 has requirements for equal speed of access to toilets for each gender, at facilities where the public congregates that do not fall under the scope of this chapter.(c) Substitutions in IBC Table 2902.1.
1. Substitute the following wording for the water closets heading in IBC Table 2902.1: Water closetse (see s. SPS 362.2902 (1) (a) 1. for urinals).
2. Substitute the following wording for the drinking fountains heading in IBC Table 2902.1: Drinking fountains (see s. SPS 362.2902 (1) (a) 2.).
3. In IBC Table 2902.1, substitute the following wording for the required minimum number of water closets for females in type A-4 and A-5 occupancies: 1 per 37 for the first 1,500 and 1 per 60 for the remainder exceeding 1,500.
4. Substitute the following wording for the required number of bathtubs or showers in storage occupancies in IBC Table 2902.1: See the International Plumbing Code.
5. Substitute the following wording for the required number of bathtubs or showers in factory and industrial occupancies in IBC Table 2902.1: See the International Plumbing Code.(d) Addition to IBC Table 2902.1. This is an additional department footnote for IBC Table 2902.1: Footnote e. Wherever more than 500 people congregate and more than the required minimum number of water closets or urinals are provided for males, twice as many of those additional toilet facilities shall be provided for females.
(e) Alternative to IBC Table 2902.1. This is a department alternative to the minimum fixture requirements of IBC Table 2902.1: The required number of toilet fixtures may be based on the actual occupancy load rather than the load determined by square footage per IBC Table 1004.1.1. The actual occupancy load shall be based on justification found acceptable to the department.

 

[rgrace]

ICC is attempting to keep up with the gender fluid/ neutral movement....2021 may clear it up more...Maybe it will say "any gender or lack thereof"...

Steveray, you are correct. The 2021 IBC/IPC will read this way:

2902.1.2 Single-user toilet and bathing room fixtures. The plumbing fixtures located in single-user toilet and bathing rooms, including family or assisted use toilet and bathing rooms that are required by Section 1109.2.1 of the International Building Code, shall contribute toward the total number of required plumbing fixtures for a building or tenant space. Single-user toilet and bathing rooms, and family or assisted-use toilet rooms and bathing rooms shall be identified as being available for use by all persons regardless of their sex.
(also note this important addition)
The total number of fixtures shall be permitted to be based on the required number of separate facilities or based on the aggregate of any combination of single-user or separate facilities.

This is a path Yikes can follow through a code mod process, and as syeveray also pointed out, number 3 from IBC 1109.2 can be used for accessibility compliance (not all single-user toilet rooms will have to be accessible if clustered together).

1109.2, #3. Where multiple single-user toilet rooms or bathing rooms are clustered at a single location, at least 50 percent but not less than one room for each use at each cluster shall be accessible.

 

[ADAguy]

T Murray:

Too bad everyone here didn't think like you do, some here spend hours per day posting stuff like ADA, obviously they are trying to recruit others into their personal agenda, makes me wonder how they run their their departments.

Not my agenda, only acknowledging the law which benefits us all.

 

[ADAguy]

Steveray, you are correct. The 2021 IBC/IPC will read this way:

2902.1.2 Single-user toilet and bathing room fixtures. The plumbing fixtures located in single-user toilet and bathing rooms, including family or assisted use toilet and bathing rooms that are required by Section 1109.2.1 of the International Building Code, shall contribute toward the total number of required plumbing fixtures for a building or tenant space. Single-user toilet and bathing rooms, and family or assisted-use toilet rooms and bathing rooms shall be identified as being available for use by all persons regardless of their sex.
(also note this important addition)
The total number of fixtures shall be permitted to be based on the required number of separate facilities or based on the aggregate of any combination of single-user or separate facilities.

This is a path Yikes can follow through a code mod process, and as syeveray also pointed out, number 3 from IBC 1109.2 can be used for accessibility compliance (not all single-user toilet rooms will have to be accessible if clustered together).

1109.2, #3. Where multiple single-user toilet rooms or bathing rooms are clustered at a single location, at least 50 percent but not less than one room for each use at each cluster shall be accessible.

Spot on, this is what I have been looking for. As to 50% if they are all ganged to a single entrance couldn't you then differ to ADA minimums of one accessible WC and 1 ambulatory if exceeding 6 fixtures (or do all GN's have to then each be accessible?). The only issue would then be urinals ( gender neutral enclosures or not?) Lavs could be shared in common. How would you do signage for the unaccessible GN's?

 

[mark handler]

In CALIFORNIA,
URINALS are required per:
2019 CALIFORNIA PLUMBING CODE TABLE 422.1 MINIMUM PLUMBING FACILITIES
URINALS are required in:
Assembly occupancies, Business occupancies, Educational occupancies, Some Institutional occupancies, Some Mercantile occupancies, some R-2occupancies.