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Occupant Loads for Restrooms For An Open Park

I don't think there is any guidance, code-wise. Does the beach maintain any records showing typical counts of beachgoers? From that data, I would probably consider using the ISPSC as a guide only and not as an enforceable code. Do some jurisdictions have local requirements for public parks based on park area? If so, how would that apply to the tidal range of a beach?

Without any data on beach usage, it would only be a guess. If they receive complaints about the lack of toilet facilities, that would be a major clue that their guess was not good enough.
 
RLGA said:
I don't think there is any guidance, code-wise. Does the beach maintain any records showing typical counts of beachgoers? From that data, I would probably consider using the ISPSC as a guide only and not as an enforceable code. Do some jurisdictions have local requirements for public parks based on park area? If so, how would that apply to the tidal range of a beach?

Without any data on beach usage, it would only be a guess. If they receive complaints about the lack of toilet facilities, that would be a major clue that their guess was not good enough.
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It is a brand new public park being constructed, so I told the designers that since they figured parking spots already, they must have done a study, and to basically make a declaration and explain how they got to that number. I think the parking lot will have to be taken into consideration, and that single-occupant bathrooms won't be considered.
 
jar546 said:
It is a brand new public park being constructed, so I told the designers that since they figured parking spots already, they must have done a study, and to basically make a declaration and explain how they got to that number. I think the parking lot will have to be taken into consideration, and that single-occupant bathrooms won't be considered.
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Depending on the park's location, relying solely on the number of parking spaces may not be sufficient. If the park is located near several resorts, hotels, homes, etc., people may walk and not drive to the park. If the park is somewhat isolated with little to no walking traffic, then the parking space count may provide an accurate number (assuming the parking space count was based on realistic data).
 
RLGA said:
Depending on the park's location, relying solely on the number of parking spaces may not be sufficient. If the park is located near several resorts, hotels, homes, etc., people may walk and not drive to the park. If the park is somewhat isolated with little to no walking traffic, then the parking space count may provide an accurate number (assuming the parking space count was based on realistic data).
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I completely agree. I assume they had to come up with a number of parking spaces, which was likely derived from the number of people they were expecting to use the park. This is nowhere near any hotels, and surrounded by private beaches on both sides. That does not mean that Uber, Lyft, & Taxis, along with shuttles from hotels not on the beach, will be used. We need a starting point, so I thought the parking lot was a good starting point.
 
jar546 said:
That does not mean that Uber, Lyft, & Taxis, along with shuttles from hotels not on the beach, will be used
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What about boats? There's a beach so there could be boats. I'm thinking that toilets up and down the coast lines of North America is the way to go. Permits too. There needs to be an occupancy sign posted where the cruise ship captain can see it. The East coast can handle perhaps forty million. Ya that's a lot of blue rooms.... might create a shortage......better get Punjab up to speed.
 
I realize it's hard to read, sorry. Footnote 1 says:

"Toilets shall be located in accordance with actual use patterns on the beach. The reasonable intent of the toilet requirements is that it should apply on the basis of average daily use during periods of peak use. The health officer may determine how many days the population standard may be exceeded."
 
If I were on the design team I would start with a "educated guess" on peak use, the look at where the bathroom facility is going to be located and what the budget is going to be. If it's going to serve 2,000-3,000 people in an ideal location with a 4" gravity drain and a million-dollar budget, then I'd draw up a nice facility, classic men's/women's plus a couple single-occupant (all gender), lavatories, etc., 18 toilets, 6 urinals, and I'm sure the AHJ would say "good job".

If the budget is $50-100k, I'd draw up a pair of good ol' outhouse's like this:
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And cross my fingers...
 
steveray said:
Have AI count the people on the beach....
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At first, I thought, "Who is 'Al'?" (i.e., nickname for Alan, Alvin, etc.--I'm used to this since my dad's name was Alvin).

Without serifs, it is difficult to differentiate between "Al" (lowercase "L") and "AI" (uppercase "i").

If your nickname is "Al," be ready to answer a lot of questions...
 
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