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Out-of-service elevators at luxury condo 'not ideal,' but not a safety hazard, city says

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Out-of-service elevators at luxury condo 'not ideal,' but not a safety hazard, city says

Only half of elevators at Aura condominium have been working since storm more than one week ago

The City of Toronto says there's no safety risk for residents of one of the city's tallest and most luxurious condominium building, where half the elevators have been out of service and the top-most floors are served by a manually operated lift.
■What happens when elevators stop running at one of Toronto's tallest condos?

More than a week ago, all elevators went down at the Aura condominium tower on Yonge Street, south of College Street following heavy overnight rain.

Half the elevators have been restored, except the only service between the 56th and 78th floors is one manually operated elevator.

The condo's management company did not respond to requests for comment from CBC News on Tuesday.

But a spokesperson for Otis, the elevator manufacturer, issued an email statement confirming that a burst pipe led to the damage to six of the elevators, three of which they managed to repair quickly.

"The remaining three elevators sustained the most damage from the building's burst pipe," the statement from Otis communications manager Jodi Golia Hynes said.

"These elevators require extensive repairs to key critical components. There is nothing more important to Otis than the safety of the people who count on our products and services every day. Otis is ready to resume work, and is waiting on approval from the property management company to begin."

On Tuesday, a spokesperson for the city said that as the outage continues, officials are monitoring the property to ensure compliance with all bylaws and codes.

"It is the responsibility of the property ownership and management to ensure the elevators are maintained and operating at all times as per the City's Property Standards Bylaw," Tammy Robbinson said in an email statement to CBC News.

"The property managers in question are working to bring all of the elevators back on line as quickly as possible. Although not having all elevators functioning is not ideal, there is no life safety risk posed in the normal use of the building. Emergency systems are functioning."

Robbinson called the situation an "isolated incident" and said "there continues to be fire and building code compliance."

Toronto Fire told CBC through Robbinson that inspectors have visited the building to ensure compliance with the fire code, as well as to assess whether there's an effective and efficient plan in place in the event there is a fire.

'It's been frustrating'

Residents who have spoken to CBC this week have said the current issue is just the latest of ongoing elevator problems.

Resident Tara Farquharson lives in the low-rise portion of the building, so has not been as severely impacted by the elevator outage.

But she said that when elevators were out in her section, wait times hit 10 or 15 minutes. On another occasion she was stuck in an elevator for an hour-and-a-half with 10 people.

"I would like to think that property management is dealing with it appropriately. But I do question the quality of the elevators either when they were put in or when they become fixed because it seems like on a regular basis there's at least one down, sometimes two down, and there's three for my level," she told CBC News.

"If they are doing the best that they can it seems a little bit hard to believe, but I don't have the expertise to fully assess that. But it's been frustrating, certainly."

She also shared concern with other residents about what would happen if an emergency occurred on a higher floor, given how long it took to extricate her when she got stuck.

"Certainly it seems a bit silly if you were going to have a really tall building you'd think the one thing you'd put a little time and effort into would be the elevators," she said. "That just makes rational sense."

'A living hell'

Three friends who have been staying on the top floor of the building for the last week said it's been "a living hell."

Taylor Henry said it's at least a 10-minute wait for an elevator to go up, and they have to walk down one floor and wait if they want to leave.

"We don't even live here and we're frustrated," Henry said. "If I was paying to live here I'd be pissed off."

Resident Roger Davidson is retired, and said he avoids long waits for the elevator by going in and out at night, when there's less traffic. He lives on the 23rd floor, and when one elevator was down for the lower floors and then another had to be shut down for people to move, wait times were long.

"It seems that it takes a very long time to order the parts and replace them," Davidson said. "I don't know why, because it should have been planned in advance because the elevator needs fixing on a regular basis."
 
My reaction to this type of situation is 'why don't we stop building high rise buildings?'.
But I'm from a rural area, and not a fan of large cities to begin with so...
 
"... wait times hit 10 or 15 minutes" OH! The humanity!

Well stuff breaks, disasters happen. Is it a safety hazard as defined by the code? Maybe not, as it depends on what code the building was built to. IF the code required fire department controlled access elevators (with emergency power backup) and if those elevators were not working, THEN there might be a safety issue if the fire department could not get to the fire floor. But generally, elevators are not planned for the egress of occupants....most elevator systems send the elevators straight away to the lobby when the fire system indicates an emergency. People have to use the stairs for egress. Tough going. Not "disabled" friendly. The latest codes provide for areas of refuge in stairwells so the fire personnel can come get those people who can't walk down the stairs. Fire personnel could take them to fire department controlled access elevators and take them down, or carry them down the stairs.

Yep, it is something to think about when buying a high-rise condo. Reminds me of my college days of living in a 26 story dorm building. Pranksters were always yanking the fire alarm. Thankfully, I only lived on the 6th floor (my friends on the highest floors never bothered to leave...)
 
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It is in Canada and construction started in 2010. This is a prime example of why the code should not trade off "areas of refuge" and other passive code items for mechanical systems that can malfunction or be put out of service due to lack of parts for extended periods of time.

" a burst pipe led to the damage to six of the elevators"
Sounds like a lot of electrical may have been fried. I doubt they are off the shelve parts that are stocked locally.
 
Could be 3007 or 3008.....If they took a tradeoff on stairs, and I would consider the fire service access elevator to be egress, maybe assisted, but egress none the less...
 
"... wait times hit 10 or 15 minutes" OH! The humanity!

About as long as the song: "The Girl from Ipanema", then you humm it the rest of the day until you hear George Thorogood's "Bad to the Bone!"

Not enough time to drink your Starbucks coffee, cuz, it's so dam hot!
 

As I said "....building occupant self-evacuation." Fire service access elevators are not for self-evacuation. As I stated in my 21 July 2016 post:

"Fire personnel could take them to fire department controlled access elevators [ (FSAE) ] and take them down, or carry them down the stairs."

Any elevator can be used for ingress or egress of disabled people during non-emergency conditions. But during an emergency, the fire personnel have control of the elevators. Self-evacuation by elevator is not possible (for anybody).

When some elevators are out of service (during non-emergency conditions), it is an inconvenience. Whether those out of service elevators constitute a safety issue (that is, the fire service determines that they cannot reach fire floors during a emergency) is something that the Fire Code Official will need to evaluate. If those out of service elevators happen to be the FSAE elevators (stretcher sized and higher weight capacity) required by 2009 and newer IBC, then the Fire Official will need to evaluate. Chances are that the Fire Official is just going to handle the emergency like he did before FSAEs were required. Inconvenient for the Fire Service. The presence of FSAEs is not required for the purposes of self-evacuation of disabled during emergencies. It just allows faster evacuation of disabled by the fire service because they can cram more in a car. Is slower evacuation of disabled (because FSAEs are out of service) a safety hazard?? Hmmm...again, an evaluation by the FO makes that determination. In my mind, it would be a stretch for the FO to say, "Sorry, FSAEs are out of service (if there are other elevators they could use), get hotel rooms for everybody in the building while repairs are made." That however, that could be the threat if the building owner is not getting the work done in a timely manner......

If the FSAEs were the only elevators in a high rise building and they were out of service, then I would say that the building would have to be condemned and people moved out until repairs were made.
 
Alright, now you are going to make me be thorough without paying me......
1007.2.1 Elevators required. In buildings where a required
accessible floor is four or more stories above or below a level
of exit discharge, at least one required accessible means of
egress shall be an elevator complying with Section 1007.4.

70> 3= Elevator required....Of course without all of the info, we could go round and round with this forever...
 
Alright, now you are going to make me be thorough without paying me......
1007.2.1 Elevators required. In buildings where a required
accessible floor is four or more stories above or below a level
of exit discharge, at least one required accessible means of
egress shall be an elevator complying with Section 1007.4.

70> 3= Elevator required....Of course without all of the info, we could go round and round with this forever...

I don't dispute that at all.
 
No elevator requirements in Canada for any buildings except for firefighters.

The only requirement in High Buildings for elevators in an emergency has to do with recall.
 
[QUaccessibility? ay, post: 153625, member: 1263"]No elevator requirements in Canada for any buildings except for firefighters.

The only requirement in High Buildings for elevators in an emergency has to do with recall.[/QUOTE]
No accessibility?
 
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