Pellet Furnace Update.........pics

[Alias]

I observed this a week ago Saturday before I left for the ICC Conference in Phoenix. There are no permits, and of course no inspections. :banghd How many violations can you spot?View attachment 1131View attachment 1132View attachment 1133View attachment 1134What part of you need a permit before you start the work don't you understand????? BTW, this is a two story commercial building.

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[north star]

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Let's see Sue, ...how `bout that flexible cord attached to the

building surface [ refer to Article 400.8(1) & (4), `08 NEC ];

...no seismic restraints that I can see [ from Section 301.15,

`06 IMC ], ...no protection from the "possible" impact

from the dumpsters [ Section 303.4, `06 IMC ]; ...is there

an approved type of electrical outlet near this furnace

[ from Section 306.5.2, `06 IMC ]; ...outdoor "wet

locations" for receptacles [ refer to Article 406.8(B),

`08 NEC ] , ...they DID need a permit for this installation

[ refer to Section 106.1, `06 IMC ].

This will do for a start...



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[Alias]

north star -

Several good catches! What about the stove pipe?

* * * *Let's see Sue, ...how `bout that flexible cord attached to the

building surface [ refer to Article 400.8(1) & (4), `08 NEC ];

That's actually a fuel line carrying #2 dyed kerosene to the direct vent monitor heater in another tenants' space.

...no seismic restraints that I can see [ from Section 301.15,



Aw c'mon, redheads don't count?

`06 IMC ], ...no protection from the "possible" impact

from the dumpsters [ Section 303.4, `06 IMC ];

or the cars in the social services parking lot right next door. Bollards, or a fence, are required. It has been discussed.



...is there an approved type of electrical outlet near this furnace

[ from Section 306.5.2, `06 IMC ];...outdoor "wet

locations" for receptacles [ refer to Article 406.8(B),

`08 NEC ] ,

Now why would they need an electrical outlet? They did put in a ground rod, I just don't know the details due to gee, no inspections.

...they DID need a permit for this installation

[ refer to Section 106.1, `06 IMC ].

Can you say "Double" fees?



This will do for a start...



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I'm still debating whether to make them tear up the slab or not. It looks like the ground rod runs under it but really, how long is that ground rod?

 

[north star]

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Regarding the stove pipe [ ducting ]... from the `06 IMC,

Table 803.10.6 requires a minimum of 36 inches of clearance from

combustibles, for the connector.......Would you consider that "red

ink dyed fuel line" a combustible surface?....I cannot see clearly

in some of the pics.......Can you submit some more & add some of

your code violations?......Thanks!

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[pete_t]

CMC 2010 references NFPA 211 for other than gas fuel:

801.2 Appliances Fueled by Other Fuels. Appliances fueled

by fuels other than gas shall be vented in accordance with

NFPA 211, Standard for Chimneys, Fireplaces, Vents, and

Solid-Fuel-Burning Appliances, and the appliance manufac

turer's instructions.

And NFPA 211 states that a listed pellet- burning appliance requires a Listed Pellet Vent (Table 5.2.3.2) and the termination rules are similar to the 3-2-10 rules, vent cap required.

I saw nothing in 211 about outdoors equipment or that 211 was only for equipment installed indoors.

You can register and read 211 here if you don't have your own copy.

http://www.nfpa.org/aboutthecodes/list_of_codes_and_standards.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1

 

[Glennman CBO]

For all the pellet applinces I've installed over the years (at least 200 of them), the clearances to most pellet vents is only 3". The sides and rear to combustibles is usually 6", but changes from unit to unit.

I've never installed one outdoors. Pellets take on moisture like particle board, but if the manufacturer allows outdoor installation...oh well.

I don't do electrical.

 

[Alias]

north star -sorry this took so long. Home computer went belly up with all the resized pics.

& & & &Regarding the stove pipe [ ducting ]... from the `06 IMC,Table 803.10.6 requires a minimum of 36 inches of clearance fromcombustibles, for the connector.......Would you consider that "redink dyed fuel line" a combustible surface?....I cannot see clearlyin some of the pics.......Can you submit some more & add some ofyour code violations?......Thanks!# # # #

View attachment 1141Kerosene fuel line - copper covered with plastic. This line is also used for LPG/Natural gas installations. It's manufactured in Canada.View attachment 1142Side of building w/kerosene line. Pellet stove installed in front of this section of building. Kerosene line has not been moved per order of the FM.View attachment 1143Tenant's side of building with swamp cooler and vehicle, tenant's vehicle parking area. CMC Section 303.4 - Anchorage of Appliances - Appliances designed to be fixed in position shall be securely fastened in place. Supports for appliances shall be designed and constructed to sustain verticle and horizontal loads within the stress limitations specified in the building code. My interpretation is that it must be attached to the slab. I don't consider red heads a suitible method of attachment.Pg 9 of the manufacturer's installation manual recommends installation on a concrete foundation. It also states that a qualified installer must perform the installation....... As a board member of the non-profit installed this furnace with assistance from the dealer, I have a whole nother issue besides work without a permit. CA law states that owner-builders are NOT allowed to act as a contractor for commercial work.pg 13 of the manufacturer's installation manual deals with chimney height - "In higher populated areas, extend the chimney to a height above the roofs of surrounding buildings." Tenant with monitor heater has already requested that they raise the height of the chimney as the smoke was blowing back into her space. There are now three sections, I am sure they will need more. SueView attachment 499

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[north star]

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Sue,

Thanks for the update on your OP!.......Also, I am glad that you

beat the cancer!

All the very best to you!

Keep on, ...keeping on!

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