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Petition starts locally to repeal sprinkler law

And do not forget all the lives that RFS will save. Biggest line of BS out there. There are about 3000 deaths a year as a result of residential fires. I would like to see the fire "experts" predict, statistically, how many lives will be saved next year and over the next decade if sprinklers were installed in every new home starting today. They won't even attempt to because they know that the numbers will not support their position. The RFS issue has nothing to do with saving lives. It is all about the fire sprinkler manufacturers and installers stealing billions of dollars every year from homebuyers.
 
There is a "ramp-up" time that must occur before any new code provision can realize it's full potential. This is common sense. You can't finish a race you don't start.
 
They can't even estimate how many deaths would be prevented if every residence in America had sprinklers, to begin with fire deaths were down to 2.565 in 2009, many from wildfires that sprinklers do no good to prevent, factor in the deaths that do occur when buildings are sprinkled, like the brand new building in Wells New York with 6 deaths when the sprinklers didn't work, or the Casa de Vallejo where the sprinklers did work but 2 died, Sprinklers will probably save a very few lives but nobody can accurately predict how many, the sprinkler salesmen always infer that sprinklers will save all lives when they quote numbers like 3,000. Also factor in the deaths that sprinklers will cause, building collapse etc,. and the enormous property damage caused by soaking structures, the cost of mold remediation is more than most buildings are worth today. Putting water on a fire is 19th century technology and should be stopped, even firemen putting water on fires should be stopped, in fact communities should start getting rid of firemen like San Carlos has just done, they cost more than they're worth.
 
many from wildfires that sprinklers do no good to prevent
Not that many. Those homes are generally evacuated when they are destroyed. The most damaging wildfire in CO history happened last September, without a single life lost.

the brand new building in Wells New York with 6 deaths when the sprinklers didn't work
4 deaths. And the sprinklers did work. The untrained staff delayed evacuation of non-ambulatory patients, then chose to use other than the closest exits. Had they reacted properly, it would have been 0 deaths.

Casa de Vallejo where the sprinklers did work but 2 died
Only the corridors were sprinklered, and the fire started in a patient room.

building collapse
Much more likely and will happen faster without sprinklers than with them.

soaking structures
Sprinklers use less water than hose lines.

the cost of mold remediation is more than most buildings are worth today
Irrelevant. Remediation is rarely needed after a sprinkler activation, and water would be introduced anyway.

Putting water on a fire is 19th century technology and should be stopped, even firemen putting water on fires should be stopped
If you can get something else to come out of the hydrants, I'm all ears. Beer?

in fact communities should start getting rid of firemen like San Carlos has just done, they cost more than they're worth.
That's a decision for each jurisdiction to make based on their analysis of the risk present and their financial situation. Even haters will express frustration at a delayed response when it effects them personally. In other words, you can't make all of them happy all of the time. When San Carlos loses a block of houses where it could have been contained to one, or when the kitchen fire turns into the next wildland fire, they'll probably change their tune again.
 
How bout a poor man's sprinkler approach. Require all the water lines run in the attic/ceiling joist space, add some extra loops to cover most room area, require them to be plastic. When the fire melts them, they should flood the affected area....Additional cost, maybe $100 bucks in pex piping.

I might work on codified language for the 2012 cycle.
 
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