Is it acceptable per ADA and IBC accessibility codes, to have booths in a restaurant that are raised one step up from the main dining area? My thinking is there would be accessible height tables in the same dining area that the booths are in, so this would be acceptable. One section I referenced is IBC 1108.2.9.1 Dining Surfaces.
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Raised Booth in Restaurant
- Thread starter fj80
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mark handler
SAWHORSE
Be carful that the raised tables do not have a different classes of spaces.
5 percent of "table types" should be accessible.
5 percent of "table types" should be accessible.
I don't see that wording in 1108.2.9.1. It says "Where dining surfaces... are provided, at least 5 percent... of the dining surfaces... shall be accessible." I interpret that as 5% of all the dining surfaces in the restaurant must be accessible.
There's a chain restaurant with the outer wall having raised booths and the floor area with loose tables and chairs. I would think as long as you provide roll up to a table seating it should be covered which the center tables would provide. Now on the other hand if the disabled person wants to look out the window during his/hers/other's eating experience, there's the rub! Your in big trouble now buddy!
This same chain restaurant, I believe in the bar area it has the same set up with raised booths along the outer perimeter, raised high tops and bar seating.
At the entrance there's a big 7-foot bear that gives me the creeps when you waiting for a table and I'm always afraid that the ceiling fan belts going break and slap us all silly. Dilly...Dilly!
This same chain restaurant, I believe in the bar area it has the same set up with raised booths along the outer perimeter, raised high tops and bar seating.
At the entrance there's a big 7-foot bear that gives me the creeps when you waiting for a table and I'm always afraid that the ceiling fan belts going break and slap us all silly. Dilly...Dilly!
ADAguy
REGISTERED
"All'' Patrons must be able to (have the option to) participate at "all" types of seating.
mark handler
SAWHORSE
Under the 1991 ADAAG standards, 5 percent of restaurant tables needed to be accessible.
The 2010 ADASAD guidelines expand this to 5 percent of all eating surfaces.
Fixed Seating, Bars and Tables.
If tables are provided, such as in restaurants and snack bars, and the tables are attached to the wall or floor (fixed), then 5% of the tables or at least one.
The 2010 ADASAD guidelines expand this to 5 percent of all eating surfaces.
Fixed Seating, Bars and Tables.
If tables are provided, such as in restaurants and snack bars, and the tables are attached to the wall or floor (fixed), then 5% of the tables or at least one.
ADAguy
REGISTERED
fj80, I have been in your great state but it appears that enforcement/ compliance with the ADA is not seen as a priority.
If you "chose" to build it new or remodel and existing facility the you must comply. Exception if it is a historic building (maybe, it depends).
If you "chose" to build it new or remodel and existing facility the you must comply. Exception if it is a historic building (maybe, it depends).
What section of the ADA says this?
ADAguy
REGISTERED
See Marks previous post above
mark handler
SAWHORSE
2010 ADASAD
https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/2010ADAStandards/2010ADAstandards.htm#pgfId-1011000
226.1 General. Where dining surfaces are provided for the consumption of food or drink, at least 5 percent of the seating spaces and standing spaces at the dining surfaces shall comply with 902. In addition, where work surfaces are provided for use by other than employees, at least 5 percent shall comply with 902.
226.2 Dispersion. Dining surfaces and work surfaces required to comply with 902 shall be dispersed throughout the space or facility containing dining surfaces and work surfaces.
Advisory 902.1 General. Dining surfaces include, but are not limited to, bars, tables, lunch counters, and booths. Examples of work surfaces include writing surfaces, study carrels, student laboratory stations, baby changing and other tables or fixtures for personal grooming, coupon counters, and where covered by the ABA scoping provisions, employee work stations
mark handler
SAWHORSE
2015 IBC
1109.11.1 Dispersion
Accessible fixed or built-in seating at tables, counters or work surfaces shall be distributed throughout the space or facility containing such elements and located on a level accessed by an accessible route.
1109.11 Seating at Tables, Counters and Work Surfaces
Where seating or standing space at fixed or built-in tables, counters or work surfaces is provided in accessible spaces, at least 5 percent of the seating and standing spaces, but not less than one, shall be accessible.
1109.11.1 Dispersion
Accessible fixed or built-in seating at tables, counters or work surfaces shall be distributed throughout the space or facility containing such elements and located on a level accessed by an accessible route.
1109.11 Seating at Tables, Counters and Work Surfaces
Where seating or standing space at fixed or built-in tables, counters or work surfaces is provided in accessible spaces, at least 5 percent of the seating and standing spaces, but not less than one, shall be accessible.
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steveray
SAWHORSE
Mark, what does an accessible standing space look like? Or are we requiring the lowered section of the bar still?
tmurray
SAWHORSE
Grab bars...
mark handler
SAWHORSE
Accessible standing space? Do you mean standing at a bar, or high top?
Yes you are required to have a lowered section of the bar, if there is a high portion.
mark handler
SAWHORSE
For what?
ADAguy
REGISTERED
To assist a WC user to rise to a standing position at the bar? (some can do that) but the code doesn't require it.
tmurray
SAWHORSE
Exactly. Thus the requirement around urinals.
The comment was a joke, but I could see how some would install it.
mark handler
SAWHORSE
The way I read it, not ALL seating spaces need to be accessible. Just 5% of the seating spaces need to be accessible, and also dispersed throughout the space.
fatboy
Administrator
Chipotles was successfully sued because wheelchair patrons could not enjoy the same experience of seeing the ingredients and their food prepared as persons standing.
https://www.clearinghouse.net/chDocs/public/DR-CA-0034-0005.pdf
I can see where the same could follow for the booth experience.
Don't necessarily agree, but I can see it happening.
https://www.clearinghouse.net/chDocs/public/DR-CA-0034-0005.pdf
I can see where the same could follow for the booth experience.
Don't necessarily agree, but I can see it happening.
tmurray
SAWHORSE
I think it would depend on how you limit the definition of "dining spaces" are they all the same space? Or are the booths and tables with chairs different "spaces"
ADAguy
REGISTERED
"Each" fixed or built-in (as Mark noted) as opposed to "furniture (moveable)". So, if you don't want any built-ins and only a service only (no seating) bar and try to use tall stools and tables, knock your self out.