Replacement Of Existing Freight Elevators

[north star]

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Greetings all !

I have a set of project plans where an existing Freight Elevator
is scheduled to be replaced with a newer Freight Elevator.
The RDP has listed the `09 ICC \ ANSI A117.1 & the ADAAG
Standards in the Specifications document, as government Standards.
The new elevator is "proposed" to be a Kone MonoSpace 500 gearless
traction elevator.

QUESTION: Are Freight Elevators "required" to follow any
Accessibility Standards, and in an existing facility with an existing
Freight Elevator [ i.e. - a replacement of kind ] ?

Thanks !

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[JPohling]

North, In the California code and the ADA the elevator sections all begin with: Elevators provided for passengers shall comply........
Is this a dedicated freight? or it does double duty and is located with the other elevators and may show up if summoned by the call buttons? If that is the case then access would be required.

 

[north star]

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JPohling,

Thanks for your input !......I do not know the extent of the
current use, or the extent of the planned use of this particular
elevator.......I DO know that part of its intended use is the
transfer of freight up & down two stories.

The RDP has indicated the brand & the model, with a reference
to the Code & Standard I listed above [ i.e. - a Kone Monospace
500 freight elevator ].......Essentially, at this point in my review
of the plans, I am researching to find out if it will double as a
passenger elevator as well.

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[RLGA]

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Greetings all !

I have a set of project plans where an existing Freight Elevator
is scheduled to be replaced with a newer Freight Elevator.
The RDP has listed the `09 ICC \ ANSI A117.1 & the ADAAG
Standards in the Specifications document, as government Standards.
The new elevator is "proposed" to be a Kone MonoSpace 500 gearless
traction elevator.

QUESTION: Are Freight Elevators "required" to follow any
Accessibility Standards, and in an existing facility with an existing
Freight Elevator [ i.e. - a replacement of kind ] ?

Thanks !

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North Star, you read the specifications? Kudos to you.

Thank you, from every specifier everywhere.

 

[Paul Sweet]

I don't think ADA would apply if it is a true freight elevator (vertical opening doors, mesh cab, etc.), especially if it is isolated form the other elevators. ADA would apply if it is a regular elevator with pads and a higher ceiling to do double duty.

 

[north star]

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Ron,

I typically do not perform an in-depth reading of
every single jot & tittle in the Specs., but because
the plans \ blueprints are lacking clarity, I very often
dive in looking for answers [ I ain't skeer'd ].
Most of the time there is so much fluff and ambiguity
in the Specs., that they simply do not provide me
the answers I am looking for.

IMO, ...the Specs. simply do not have enough
relevant information in them, but rather a host of
options to choose from.......From what I have
observed I over the years, most Specs. are
"cut & paste" exercises for the junior office staff
to compose in to a document called the
Specifications Manual without performing any
in-depth research on their own......Yes, I
understand that time is money, and no one wants
to pay someone to perform basic research [ i.e. -
reinvent the Specifications Wheel ], when in the
majority of the time, ...no one actually reads and
scrutinizes the Specs. anyway......I dare say that
most Plans Examiners, Inspectors & Code Officials
do not delve in to the Specs.

Time is short, so every minute and opportunity
has to [ read - "should" ] count !


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[RLGA]

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Ron,

I typically do not perform an in-depth reading of
every single jot & tittle in the Specs., but because
the plans \ blueprints are lacking clarity, I very often
dive in looking for answers.......Most of the time there
is so much fluff and ambiguity in the Specs., that they
simply do not provide me the answers I am looking for.

IMO, ...the Specs. simply do not have enough
relevant information in them, but rather a host of
options to choose from.......From what I have
observed I over the years, most Specs. are
"cut & paste" exercises for the junior office staff
to compose in to a document called the
Specifications Manual without performing any
in-depth research on their own......Yes, I
understand that time is money, and no one wants
to pay someone to perform basic research [ i.e. -
reinvent the Specifications Wheel ], when in the
majority of the time, ...no one actually reads and
scrutinize the Specs. anyway......I dare say that
most Plans Examiners, Inspectors & Code Officials
do not delve in to the Specs.

Time is short, so every minute and opportunity
has to [ read - "should" ] count !


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Apparently you don’t get many specifications prepared by a professional specifier. Firms that “cut and paste” specifications will most likely find themselves in legal hot water, eventually.

 

[north star]

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FWIW, ...all of the Specification Manuals I have ever
looked at \ read, had the design seal & signature of an
RDP.

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[RLGA]

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FWIW, ...all of the Specification Manuals I have ever
looked at \ read, had the design seal & signature of an
RDP.

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Being a registered design professional doth not a professional specifier make. Many architects who seal their drawings, and I’ve worked with a lot of them, generally have no clue what specifications are or how important they are in a set of contract documents. Design architects think that only the drawings are important, but when the crud hits the perverbial fan, lawyers look at the written word—the agreement, the general conditions, and then the specifications.

 

[north star]

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Agreed sir !

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[ADAguy]

CSI CDT certification is a great tool for learning how to read specs.