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EasilyConfused

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I have two legitimate ADA toilets with exterior doors off of a covered patio area. The patio area will be used for gatherings at some times and not at others. Have a relatively large conference room that I need to find another .13 toilets for. My original intent with the plans was to get all my toilet counts into the multi user toilets that have access off of the interior of the building and not the covered patio area. If I take into consideration the "exterior toilets" I have plenty to meet requirements. Just wondering if there is any reason per the code that I could not use these toilets in my counts.
 
Humh.

That makes me think that somehow this exterior space might be considered "assembly".

It's a covered patio and it's outside..... does it have an occupant load? And would this occupant load need to get added to the building occupant load?

I don't think anyone would be under the patio that wasn't also a part of what was going on inside. Meaning, if they won't fit in the building then they are not going to be a part of the outdoor activities. Kind of like having an Easter egg hunt. Nobody is going to be hunting that isn't eating Easter dinner in the Assembly area.

Curious where this could go.

More relative to your comment....

Not exactly sure what you mean, but I was thinking worst case scenario is that whoever was inside and found that multi-user toilets were full, would just be a little more inconvenienced and could use one of the restrooms under the canopy if "required". As opposed to just going outside :) .

Speaking of Easter. Aren't we supposed to be taking some time away from this stuff?

Thanks.
 
Humh.That makes me think that somehow this exterior space might be considered "assembly".

It's a covered patio and it's outside..... does it have an occupant load? And would this occupant load need to get added to the building occupant load?

I don't think anyone would be under the patio that wasn't also a part of what was going on inside. Meaning, if they won't fit in the building then they are not going to be a part of the outdoor activities. Kind of like having an Easter egg hunt. Nobody is going to be hunting that isn't eating Easter dinner in the Assembly area.

Curious where this could go.

More relative to your comment....

Not exactly sure what you mean, but I was thinking worst case scenario is that whoever was inside and found that multi-user toilets were full, would just be a little more inconvenienced and could use one of the restrooms under the canopy if "required". As opposed to just going outside :) .

Speaking of Easter. Aren't we supposed to be taking some time away from this stuff?

Thanks.
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What oocupancy type is the patio connected to??

Is it a break area for an office??

Is it a patio as part of a restaurant?

Is it just a cover for weather

How many sq ft
 
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Well, what might you consider the space to be, if not "assembly"?

Does A covered patio have an occupant load? Maybe. what is its use? how big is it? Have you read chapter 10 of the code?

And would this occupant load need to get added to the building occupant load? Maybe. Do the occupants need to go through the building for egress?

I don't think anyone would be under the patio that wasn't also a part of what was going on inside. But do you know for sure? Might something be going on outside that was not associated to what is boing on inside

It kind of scares me that you are designing these buildings? Is there no design professional involved? Someone with a license?

IBC 1004.8 Outdoor areas. Yards, patios, courts and similar outdoor areas accessible to and usable by the building occupants shall be provided with means of egress as required by this chapter. The occupant load of such outdoor areas shall be assigned by the building official in accordance with the anticipated use. Where outdoor areas are to be used by persons in addition to the occupants of the building, and the path of egress travel from the outdoor areas passes through the building, means of egress requirements for the building shall be based on the sum of the occupant loads of the building plus the outdoor areas.
 
Speaking of Easter. Aren't we supposed to be taking some time away from this stuff?
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Humm. You mean like your posting on Easter?

We are in America.
 
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"It kind of scares me that you are designing these buildings?

Hey Einstein- Sorry you feel that way. Please feel free not to respond to my questions in the future.

CDA- I'm letting this question go.
 
"It kind of scares me that you are designing these buildings?Hey Einstein- Sorry you feel that way. Please feel free not to respond to my questions in the future.

CDA- I'm letting this question go.
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You know people are trying to help you.

We all started with not even knowing what a code book looks like, but most of us listened and learned.

We also took our knocks along the way and learned from them.
 
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