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..what KZQ said...

I have see unprotected rod ends before.. but wow if you were to trip and fall.. there is really no place to direct your body without getting impaled.
 
Thankfully, we don't regulate flat-work. I like the reuse of a sidewalk to prop up the steel. Are there LEED points for that?
 
RJJ said:
Sure will have a crack along the pipe. Looks like only an 1" of cover. Crapp job!
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Not even 1", the tape measure is touching the wrap; at the high point it is above the finish floor. The only permits were Pl and EL as we don't req. a permit for patio slabs. I did my best to explain to the H/O why he needed to raise the slab and he is an engineer and knows better. There is a 14' counter space that covers the pipe so he didn't care if it was exposed. The first time I went there the pipe wasn't wrapped and I explained about not embedding it in concrete. In the long run, it's a bbq island so I didn't get too excited about it. Did I mention that he is a self important type and doesn't like a novice telling him what to do.
 
And everything looks so pretty! All the rebar is so straight....precisely spaced, the verticals are at 90 degrees.

Looks pretty..... pretty darn bad!
 
Requiring rebar caps on a homeowner built patio slab is a bit overboard.

As is complaining about the use of concrete chunks as chairs.

The biggest piece of advice would have been to put down a vapor barrier for when the patio is inevitably enclosed.
 
brudgers said:
Requiring rebar caps on a homeowner built patio slab is a bit overboard.Am I mixed up again, here I thought the contractor had the tougher hide. I didn't require caps. I put a picture in his mind of his wife impaled through the sternum. I didn't see him smile but he's a tough read.

As is complaining about the use of concrete chunks as chairs.

Actually I said I liked the chunks. And I do because he will get to see how well it works. All engineers should get field training.

The biggest piece of advice would have been to put down a vapor barrier for when the patio is inevitably enclosed.
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I suggested a number of items but he value engineers.

 
David Henderson said:
My take would be if they run electrical,or plumbing, you can require it to be done to code. ie; concrete cover.
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The only code not strictly enforced would be the prohibition of embedding abs drain pipe in concrete. Well there is also the air admittance vent that we do not allow.

I required two layers of foam wrap. I don't think the plumbing code specifically mentions displacing all of the concrete in a slab. Maybe it does in the 2011 CA PL Code. Anybody that can direct me is welcome.

I am sure that the plumbing code says that nothing here will allow the violation of other codes but no building permit = no building code violations.
 
"no building permit = no building code violations."

I don't think so! If there's a provision in the code that addresses an issue a permit is required. At least it used to read that way.

Still nothing in the code allows work exempted from permits to be in violation of any specific code provision.

Bill
 
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KQZ tats the assumption of the non-applicant I'm sure when the complaint line rings for owners and contractors that are being

picked on by officials who insist on permits and inspections saying he said the footins or beams or joists were inncorrect I ask?

Do or Did you get a permit ? response > Um er wel No!

My answer is immediately - Your project is non-compliant and the inspector is correct.

uhhh what should I do then / now??? My answer is REMOVE THE WORK and SUBMIT PLANS AND APPLICATIONS.

shock and awe I'm sure - but it makes anything the inspector agrees to look like a favor
 
KZQuixote said:
"no building permit = no building code violations."I don't think so! If there's a provision in the code that addresses an issue a permit is required. At least it used to read that way.

Still nothing in the code allows work exempted from permits to be in violation of any specific code provision.

Bill
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I should have included the word "required" as in "no building permit required". A patio slab does not require a permit but as an example, say the top of the slab abuts the house and is 2" above the weep screed. That is a code violation. How about a planter next to the building and the dirt is 6" above plate line or the Pergo floor in the garage? We have all seen such mistakes but I doubt that even the most zealous among us would write a correction.

If I am on the property for an official reason and I see such things, I will mention it {well not the Pergo} and the most common reply I get is: "Do you mean to tell me that a permit is required for a planter etc.?". I could reply: "Well no, a permit is not required and here's your violation notice". I weather enough sh*t storms as it is.

In this case, the H/O could have done a whole lot worse than he did and I wouldn't have the authority to meddle. I instructed him on the correct way to do the work and he ignored me. That's him exercising his right to be left alone to screw up his back yard as he sees fit.
 
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In this case, the H/O could have done a whole lot worsethan he did and I wouldn't have the authority to meddle.......I

instructed him on the correct way to do the work and he ignored

me......That's him exercising his right to be left alone to screw

up his back yard as he sees fit.
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That used to be the American way.If he wants to have liability exposure, or one of the contractors impaled,

that's his right.

All together now!.....What's our favorite saying on here ?......"Codes, ...we don't

need no stankin' codes!"

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Ice you are correct in that no permit required for flat work but the plumbing and electrical damn sure do and that is how you make it become compliant
 
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