Tennis fencing, engineering or not?

[Yankee]

On a public tennis court with 10' fencing. Would you go with the proclaimed "industry standard" installation with no construction documents, or would you ask for a RDP?

 

[jar546]

>6', commercial. What does the book say?

 

[texasbo]

I would not ask for RDP.

 

[Yankee]

>6', commercial. What does the book say?

I know jar, I can read tha dang book. I'm talking real world or I wouldn't be asking.

 

[Builder Bob]

Go with industry standard and the fencing installation guide.............

 

[Darren Emery]

Chain link - or hard surface? It may not be by the book, but we set a higer standard of design for fences over 6' that would be impacted more by wind load. (wood, hard wall - seen both at the end of a tennis court)

 

[Yankee]

Chain link, thanks, , I notice the chain link manufacturers group does put out a wind design booklet

 

[rshuey]

Jar is spot on. Pass the buck, its in everyones best interest. Especially the people who like to climb the fences.

 

[brudgers]

Chain link, thanks, , I notice the chain link manufacturers group does put out a wind design booklet

Unless there are unusual circumstances (e.g. a rooftop installation), I would consider compliance with the book adequate - heck it's what any sensible engineer would use anyway if they were aware of it. I would give strong consideration to having site specific "shop drawings" coordinating the construction requirements and providing something to review and check against.

 

[north star]

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Yankee,

From Section 106.1, `06 IBC: Submittal documents.

Construction documents, statement of special inspections and other

data shall be submitted in one or more sets with each permit application.

The construction documents shall be prepared by a registered design

professional where required by the statutes of the jurisdiction in which

the project is to be constructed.......Where special conditions exist, the

building official is authorized to require additional construction

documents to be prepared by a registered design professional.

Exception: The building official is authorized to waive the submission of

construction documents and other data not required to be prepared by a

registered design professional if it is found that the nature of the work

applied for is such that review of construction documents is not necessary

to obtain compliance with this code."

IMO, I would certainly request RDP prepared documents......Is there any

type of screening that will be applied to the chain link fencing?.....This

could increase the wind loading.

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[Coug Dad]

Tennis courts with chain link fences tend to end up with either fabric attached to cut down on the wind effect or solid pieces along the ends for return of practice volleys.

 

[fatboy]

Yeah, I'd have to agree with Dad........

 

[north star]

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Doesn't the reduced wind effects apply to inside the "fenced in"

- "screened in" areas [ i.e. - no appreciable effect on the game

itself ], whereas the wind loading of the entire fencing structure

would be from the outside these areas?

Just asking...



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[Coug Dad]

By reduced wind effect, I mean on the game and the players, not the fence.

 

[north star]

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Thank you Coug Dad!......Would you require RDP prepared plans for

this type of fencing?

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[brudgers]

Are you people going to require a permit for the fabric installation?

 

[mtlogcabin]

From Hoover Fence Company; very similar to what I saw when working in South Fl. No a RDP was not required

If you plan on installing privacy slats or another type of material that will increase wind load, consider using 8' or 6' post spacing. Also consider upgrading the framework, i.e. posts and rail to a larger diameter and thicker wall thickness. Heavier chain link framework such as SS20 or WT20 and/ or SS40 or WT40 are excellent choices for use with chain link fences with aluminum diagonal or PVC privacy slats or privacy screening.

 

[mark handler]

Install per ASTM F969 - 07 Standard Practice for Construction of Chain-Link Tennis Court Fence

No Design professional required

 

[Yankee]

Install per ASTM F969 - 07 Standard Practice for Construction of Chain-Link Tennis Court FenceNo Design professional required

Wish I had that 969, but don't. Maybe I can request it from the installer. Some of you might understand that my jurisdiction is not going to want to pay to have a RDP on their own project. It wouldn't be my final decision, and it isn't a project that I am going to die on the hill for.

 

[mtlogcabin]

Some of you might understand that my jurisdiction is not going to want to pay to have a RDP on their own project

Our engineers in the public works dept will review and even spec out small projects for the city they just don't personally sign or stamp them.

 

[FredK]

Wish I had that 969, but don't. Maybe I can request it from the installer. Some of you might understand that my jurisdiction is not going to want to pay to have a RDP on their own project. It wouldn't be my final decision, and it isn't a project that I am going to die on the hill for.

If 39-45 dollars is to much for the project then I give up:

http://www.astm.org/Standards/F969.htm

or

http://www.astm.org/Standards/F2631.htm

 

[brudgers]

Wish I had that 969, but don't. Maybe I can request it from the installer. Some of you might understand that my jurisdiction is not going to want to pay to have a RDP on their own project. It wouldn't be my final decision, and it isn't a project that I am going to die on the hill for.

Some guy in permitting recently told me that if it protects your career then it complies with code.

 

[jar546]

I know jar, I can read tha dang book. I'm talking real world or I wouldn't be asking.

PA did not adopt chapter 1 of the IBC as we have our own requirements under the PA-UCC. I don't pay any attention to chapter 1 of the IBC and I am not aware if your jurisdiction uses chapter 1 or has their own requirements, hence the question.

In PA I have no choice but to require a DP because that is how the law reads and I have no legal authority to wave state requirement for any "real world" application.

 

[mark handler]

Wish I had that 969, but don't. Maybe I can request it from the installer. Some of you might understand that my jurisdiction is not going to want to pay to have a RDP on their own project. It wouldn't be my final decision, and it isn't a project that I am going to die on the hill for.

Write on plans, show how installation shall be in conformance with "ASTM F969 - 07 Standard Practice for Construction of Chain-Link Tennis Court Fence"