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Thinking about purchasing building, what to expect?

jesse2003

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Hi,

I need some info and hopefully you folks can help me. I am interested in buying a building in PA that was built in the late 1800's and used for a general store/post office. The current owner(since the late 1990's)sells a few items now and has no certificate of occupany, but the property is zoned for commerical use. Now since the building was built before april 27th 1927 does it need a certificate of occupany if I purchase it, or is it grandfathered in? I would like to have a small store in it so no change of occupancy would occur. There is no bathroom in the building and no room to install a ramp for the handicapped. The building does need some repairs mostly cosmetic. I contacted the dept of L&I and no permits or certificates are on file. Any info would be a great help.

Thanks! :)
 
If it is in an opt out community then PA L&I will handle the situation. If it is in an opt-in municipality then the municipality will direct you. Here is the language for most of what you need.

§ 403.28. Uncertified buildings.(a) Under section 902(b)(6) of the act (35 P. S. § 7210.902(b)(6)), an uncertified building that was built before April 27, 1927, is deemed to be legally occupied until the owner proposes to renovate, add an addition, alter or change the occupancy of the building. The renovation, addition, alteration or change in occupancy must comply with the Uniform Construction Code.

(b) Under section 902(b) of the act, uncertified buildings within the Department’s jurisdiction must meet the following requirements which do not apply to uncertified buildings under subsection (a):

(1) Maximum story height, minimum allowable construction type based on floor area, vertical opening and shaft protection requirements, means of egress requirements pertaining to minimum number of exits, maximum travel distances to exits, means of egress illumination, minimum egress widths and heights for exit doors, exit stairs, exit ramps and exit corridors requirements under the ‘International Building Code."

(2) Fire safety requirements in the "International Building Code" for fire alarms, fire extinguishers, heat and smoke detectors, automatic sprinkler systems and occupancy and incidental use separations. The following also apply:

(i) If construction began on a building before May 19, 1984, the installation of automatic sprinkler systems is not required.

(ii) If construction began on a building after May 19, 1984, automatic sprinklers are only required if the building is classified in use groups E (educational), H (high-hazard), I (institutional), or R-1 or R-2 (residential) or if the building has occupied floors more than 75 feet above lowest level of fire department access. Buildings in use groups R-1 and R-2 which do not have occupied floors more than 75 feet above lowest level of fire department access may, instead of installing automatic sprinkler systems, install hard-wired interconnected heat and smoke detectors in all rooms or spaces, whether they are occupied or unoccupied.

(iii) If construction of a building began after May 18, 1984, automatic sprinkler installation shall be completed by December 22, 2010, or any certificate of occupancy issued shall be invalid.

(3) Accessibility requirements are applicable as follows:

(i) If construction of an uncertified building began before September 1, 1965, accessibility requirements will not be imposed by the Department.

(ii) If construction of a building began after August 31, 1965, and before February 18, 1989, and if the building is a State-owned building, a restaurant or a retail commercial establishment, the building must have at least one accessible main entrance, an accessible route from the accessible entrance to any public spaces on the same level as the accessible entrance and, if toilet rooms are provided, the building must have at least one toilet room for each sex or a unisex toilet room complying with the accessibility requirements of the "International Building Code."

(iii) If construction of the building began after February 17, 1989, all accessibility requirements of the "International Building Code" shall be met.

(4) Structural requirements will not be imposed unless the Department determines that the building or a portion of the building has defects that are defined as dangerous in section 202 of the "International Existing Building Code." If the building is dangerous, the Department may impose only those requirements minimally necessary to remove danger to the building’s occupants.

(5) A construction code official may deny the issuance of a certificate of occupancy if the official deems that a building is unsafe because of inadequate means of egress, inadequate lighting and ventilation, fire hazards or other dangers to human life or to public welfare.

© The following apply to uncertified buildings where the Department does not have jurisdiction and which are not governed under subsection (a):

(1) A construction code official shall issue a certificate of occupancy to an uncertified building if it meets the requirements of the latest version of the "International Existing Building Code" or Chapter 34 of the "International Building Code." The construction code official shall utilize the code for the municipality which best applies, in the official’s professional judgment.

(2) A construction code official may deny the issuance of a certificate of occupancy if the official deems that a building is unsafe because of inadequate means of egress, inadequate lighting and ventilation, fire hazards or other dangers to human life or to public welfare.

(3) A municipality governed under this subsection may utilize the standards of subsection (b) for the issuance of certificates of occupancy to uncertified buildings if the municipality adopts an ordinance.
 
see if you can meet with the local building offical and see they can advise you, and better yet meet at the building and look it over.
 
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jesse2003,

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Thanks for all the info and welcome. :)

I did contact an inspector but since I did not own the building he would not comment. I did go to our local inspection website and it states:

"Uncertified" Existing Buildings

An uncertified building is defined as any building built after April 27, 1927 that has no existing Certificate of Occupancy. Any building built prior to that date is deemed to be legally occupied. If the building was built prior to April 27, 1927 and has after that date undergone renovation, additions, alterations or a change of occupancy and has no "Certificate of Occupancy" the building is considered "Uncertified".

"Certified" Existing Buildings

A Certified Existing Building is defined as any building that has a current Certificate of Occupancy that was issued by the Pennsylvania Department of Labor & Industry. A Certificate of Occupancy from the municipality will also be accepted if that municipality was enforcing a model code and issued a Certificate at the time of construction or renovation. Any structure built prior to April 27, 1927 and has undergone NO renovations, alterations or a change of occupancy after that date is also deemed to be a "Certified" building.

I know there was never a change of occupancy and only minor repairs done. We are a opt-in municpality so what I understand is the building can be used as is since no change of occupancy will occur. The current owner wont be selling right away so I do my homework. Thanks again!
 
jesse2003 said:
Thanks for all the info and welcome. :) I did contact an inspector but since I did not own the building he would not comment.
That's ridiculous. I would go straight to his supervisor. It's none of his business whether you own it or not.
 
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