Urinal Requirement

[tahada]

Hello folks, I am so grateful for this site. It helps and educates me a lot. I have finally joined the community today.
I would like to ask you, experts, a question.

Currently, I have this project.

Project Description: Existing restaurant TI to build new sushi bar and new interior finish in dining area total 1,548 sqft.
Proposed Use: Sushi Restaurant
Construction Type: Type III-B (None Sprinklered)
Occupancy Group: B
Proposed TI Space: 1st floor in 1 story building
Project Area: 1548 sqft.
Max Occupant Load: 45 (B Occupancy Group)
(Number of Employee at one shift is less than 4)
Dining Area: 602 sqft. /15 = 41
Sushi Prep Area: 136 sqft / 200 = 1
Kitchen: 442 sqft / 200 = 3
Restrooms & Hallway: 368

We are going to have 2 gender-specific bathrooms (men & women) and the architect's included a urinal in the men's bathroom. here is my
Question: Do I have to have a URINAL in the men's bathroom when it's only single occupancy? If the answer is no, would you provide the supporting code so that I could ask the architect to revise it?

TIA for your time and advice.

 

[cda]

Not into potty code

Read this thread see if it makes sense

Urinals in Single User Restrooms

There are designers, architects, and engineers providing California single user restrooms without urinals. By Table 422.1, most occupancy's require these. Of course they are not required in each one, but they would be in the correct proportion as shown in that table. Are there any code...

www.thebuildingcodeforum.com

 

[tahada]

Not into potty code

Read this thread see if it makes sense

Urinals in Single User Restrooms

There are designers, architects, and engineers providing California single user restrooms without urinals. By Table 422.1, most occupancy's require these. Of course they are not required in each one, but they would be in the correct proportion as shown in that table. Are there any code...

www.thebuildingcodeforum.com

Thank you CDA. Still no clear answer -.-;;

 

[cda]

Thank you CDA. Still no clear answer -.-;;

Thank you CDA. Still no clear answer -.-;;

I think you will find it is required

Will let the calif people answer for sure

 

[SH225]

Not a Californian, but what I see in the code is 422.2(3) that says one toilet facility, designed for use by no more than one person at a time, shall be permitted for use by both sexes. In chapter 2, toilet facility is defined as a room or space containing not less than one lavatory and one water closet. No mention of a urinal. 422.2(3) lets Group B under 50 occupants out of the requirement to go to the minimum plumbing fixtures chart where we would ultimately find a requirement for a urinal.

On a related topic, it appears from my Google search on California single user toilets they must now be all-gender, not gender-specific.

Single User Toilet Rooms in California - Stepping Thru Accessibility

Earlier this year a law was passed in California stating that all single user toilet rooms are to be unisex — in other words we will no longer have a men’s restroom or a women’s restroom for one user. Since the rooms are required to have privacy locks they can now be used by either sex.

steppingthruaccessibility.com

 

[mark handler]

SH225 is correct single use toilets shall be "all Gender". If you want the restrooms to be gender specific, you need two fixtures. (two toilets in the Women's, and a Toilet and Urinal in Men's)​

A "B" occupancy also has a minimum requirement of a urinal, per 2019 CPC TABLE 422.1.
Alcohol Beverage Control also has a urinal requirement.

 

[ADAguy]

Beat me too it Mark, been there and its required as you have noted.

 

[mark handler]

Beat me too it Mark, been there and its required as you have noted.

Don't have the time to look for ABC, right now, will post when i find it

This is LA County Health:

Where alcoholic beverages are sold or given away for consumption on the premises there​

shall be provided for use by the public, separate toilet rooms for each gender, with the men’s​

toilet room having at least one urinal. At least one lavatory shall be provided in conjunction with​

and convenient to each toilet room. The toilet rooms must be located within the food facility​

and where consumers, guests, and invitees do not pass through food preparation, storage, or​

utensil washing areas to reach the toilet facilities.​

Los Angeles County Code, Title 11.38.570(D)​

 

[RJarch]

Not a Californian, but what I see in the code is 422.2(3) that says one toilet facility, designed for use by no more than one person at a time, shall be permitted for use by both sexes. In chapter 2, toilet facility is defined as a room or space containing not less than one lavatory and one water closet. No mention of a urinal. 422.2(3) lets Group B under 50 occupants out of the requirement to go to the minimum plumbing fixtures chart where we would ultimately find a requirement for a urinal.

On a related topic, it appears from my Google search on California single user toilets they must now be all-gender, not gender-specific.

Single User Toilet Rooms in California - Stepping Thru Accessibility

Earlier this year a law was passed in California stating that all single user toilet rooms are to be unisex — in other words we will no longer have a men’s restroom or a women’s restroom for one user. Since the rooms are required to have privacy locks they can now be used by either sex.

steppingthruaccessibility.com

So here in Cali, I have a small A2 Restaurant, which could begat 2 Single Use Restrooms, one toilet each. CPC 422.2 says I need separate facilities for each sex. Code here says all single user Restrooms shall be called "All Gender". All Gender denotes no sex, unisex, all sexes, correct? But Table 422.1 requires a Urinal per the Men's category, but there is no "Men's Room" per se because both rooms are All Gender. Do I then need a urinal in both single use toilet rooms? So lets say I put a urinal in the quote "Men's" side, then footnote 3 says the women's toilet count must equal the Men's toilet + urinal count, so I have to add Toilet so there are two in the "Women's side. Now it is no longer a single use All Gender facility, but a multi-use Women's room. I have a men's and a Women's Restroom. See the lunacy yet? Or do I just provide two All Gender Rooms and both have a toilet and a urinal? (That would be classy)

 

[mtlogcabin]

 

[Yikes]

So here in Cali, I have a small A2 Restaurant, which could begat 2 Single Use Restrooms, one toilet each. CPC 422.2 says I need separate facilities for each sex. Code here says all single user Restrooms shall be called "All Gender". All Gender denotes no sex, unisex, all sexes, correct? But Table 422.1 requires a Urinal per the Men's category, but there is no "Men's Room" per se because both rooms are All Gender. Do I then need a urinal in both single use toilet rooms? So lets say I put a urinal in the quote "Men's" side, then footnote 3 says the women's toilet count must equal the Men's toilet + urinal count, so I have to add Toilet so there are two in the "Women's side. Now it is no longer a single use All Gender facility, but a multi-use Women's room. I have a men's and a Women's Restroom. See the lunacy yet? Or do I just provide two All Gender Rooms and both have a toilet and a urinal? (That would be classy)

You have to meet the quantity of fixtures in the CPC.
CPC 422, denotes the number of fixtures to be provided based on sex. This table does not prescribe where those fixtures are placed, whether in one big room or two rooms, or scattered in five or ten separate rooms. You have to look elsewhere in the CPC for direction on that, as well as https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1732

Furthermore, CPC footnote 3 now clarifies:
"3 The total number of required water closets for females shall be not less than the total number of required water closets and urinals for males. [BSC] This
requirement shall not apply when single occupancy toilet facilities are provided for each sex in an A or E occupancy with an occupant load of less than 50.
Either

1. The required urinal shall be permitted to be omitted or
2. If installed, the urinal shall not require a second water closet to be provided for the female."

Assuming your restaurant is an A-2 occupancy with OL<50, then hopefully that takes away at least a little bit of the lunacy. Footnote 3 now gives you the choice to either (1) omit the urinal, or (2) add it to only one restroom, without having to add another toilet for the other restroom.

An important point on AB 1732: it is only about the signage on the restrooms, and who gets to use them. The CPC will still provide fixture quantity guidance based on males and females, it's just that the final signage on single-user restrooms allows for end use by either sex.

Assuming the two restrooms are located near each other CBC 11B-213.2 exc. #4 only requires one of the restrooms to be accessible. Obviously, if you're making one of them accessible, then the one with the urinal must be accessible.

As posted recently in another thread, a single accommodation restroom in California is allowed to have a lav, a toilet, AND a urinal.