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Washing machine trap
- Thread starter Uncle Bob
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jar546
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I see that some of the plumbers in our area are traveling to your area for work.
Not sure I would fail it though
Not sure I would fail it though
north star
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Uncle Bob,
I don't see this particular configuration much either. Help us to see the violations!
Also, is that a vertical dryer exhaust vent? That's a definite "no-no!"
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Uncle Bob,
I don't see this particular configuration much either. Help us to see the violations!
Also, is that a vertical dryer exhaust vent? That's a definite "no-no!"
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fatboy
Administrator
north star, not to hijack this thread, but where do you get the vertical dryer vent is a no-no? Not saying it's a good idea (or bad), but code allows it. Gives length limitations, not directional though.
Back to the OP, I agree with jar, not sure I could write anything up on it. Would have been real easy to add some blocking to center the box and get rid of some fittings,
Back to the OP, I agree with jar, not sure I could write anything up on it. Would have been real easy to add some blocking to center the box and get rid of some fittings,
mtlogcabin
SAWHORSE
I believe that qualifys as an "S" trap so not permitted. The plastic ty strap and the foil tape supporting the dryer exhaust would not be okay
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TimNY
Platinum Member
I'm not seeing an S-trap (vent conection is above the wier).
If I am guessing correctly, the photo is taken from the garage. Piping installed in an exterior wall subjected to freezing temperature would be an issue here.
If I am guessing correctly, the photo is taken from the garage. Piping installed in an exterior wall subjected to freezing temperature would be an issue here.
north star
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fatboy,
I did not see a "clean out" installed in Uncle Bob's picture. I should have clarified
my response by saying "No" regarding the installation of booster fans, that a lot
of builders want to try and install in a non-compliant manner.
As you already know, the "booster fan" limitations were removed from the `06
codes ( Section M1501.3, Exception #1 in the `03 IRC ), and according to some,
the manufacturer would have to approve the installation of a booster fan with
their dryer. There is a lot more to the vertical exhaust duct installations than
meets the eye. Also, some builders want to place the exhaust ducts on the interior
of a structure, thus, "possibly" making the length limitations unachievable.
Sorry for the inaccurate posting! Yes, "vertical exhaust ducts" are allowed, if
they are installed correctly.
Uncle Bob,
Is there, or was there a "clean out" planned for the vertical exhaust duct?
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fatboy,
I did not see a "clean out" installed in Uncle Bob's picture. I should have clarified
my response by saying "No" regarding the installation of booster fans, that a lot
of builders want to try and install in a non-compliant manner.
As you already know, the "booster fan" limitations were removed from the `06
codes ( Section M1501.3, Exception #1 in the `03 IRC ), and according to some,
the manufacturer would have to approve the installation of a booster fan with
their dryer. There is a lot more to the vertical exhaust duct installations than
meets the eye. Also, some builders want to place the exhaust ducts on the interior
of a structure, thus, "possibly" making the length limitations unachievable.
Sorry for the inaccurate posting! Yes, "vertical exhaust ducts" are allowed, if
they are installed correctly.
Uncle Bob,
Is there, or was there a "clean out" planned for the vertical exhaust duct?
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skipharper
Registered User
I see nothing, I know nothing!
Kevin Turner
Bronze Member
Should it be a 3'' drain line from the san-tee down Uncle Bob? IPC 406.3
I also agree with Mule on the nail plates 2'' above sole plate however the COG Amendments deleated this requirement.
I also agree with Mule on the nail plates 2'' above sole plate however the COG Amendments deleated this requirement.
Sorry for not responding sooner.
I've seen this type of plumbing several times; and as a plumber it just turns my stomach.
There is no reason for putting bends from the the washer box to the trap wier. This defeats and obstructs the flow and may cause a backup and flooding when the washing machine drains.
Unfortunately, a plumber can make the entire standpipe out of bends and it is not a code violation.
Most of you may not remember when the standpipe was 1 1/4 inches. The washing machine manufacturers decided that the machines did not drain fast enough and increased the size of the motors. This caused a lot of problems with backup and flooding because the the drain was not large enough to allow for proper drainage; and in new construction the size of the standpipe, trap and drain was increased to 2" to prevent backup and flooding.
As for the bends between the standpipe and the trap wier; most of the time this happens because the underground drain installation placed the drain too close to where the washer box outlet would have to be placed; making it impossible to place the trap correctly.
In this case; the washer box is not installed in accordance with the manufacturer's installation instructions (note, the wings on the washer box that are for securing the box to the studs). This causes an undue strain on the drain pipe, and the bends restricting the flow to the trap wier add to the problem.
If you looking for code violation you may want to see;
2006/2009 IRC, P2705.1, Number 2. Wall-hung fixtures shall be rigidly supported so that the strain is not transmitted to the plumbing system.
In this case, if the washing machine box had been correctly installed between the studs; there would have been no need to use bends between the box and the trap wier.
The picture is really just an example of really bad plumbing; which, unfortunately is not a code violation. Hopefully, the bends will not cause a backup and flooding.
Uncle Bob
I've seen this type of plumbing several times; and as a plumber it just turns my stomach.
There is no reason for putting bends from the the washer box to the trap wier. This defeats and obstructs the flow and may cause a backup and flooding when the washing machine drains.
Unfortunately, a plumber can make the entire standpipe out of bends and it is not a code violation.
Most of you may not remember when the standpipe was 1 1/4 inches. The washing machine manufacturers decided that the machines did not drain fast enough and increased the size of the motors. This caused a lot of problems with backup and flooding because the the drain was not large enough to allow for proper drainage; and in new construction the size of the standpipe, trap and drain was increased to 2" to prevent backup and flooding.
As for the bends between the standpipe and the trap wier; most of the time this happens because the underground drain installation placed the drain too close to where the washer box outlet would have to be placed; making it impossible to place the trap correctly.
In this case; the washer box is not installed in accordance with the manufacturer's installation instructions (note, the wings on the washer box that are for securing the box to the studs). This causes an undue strain on the drain pipe, and the bends restricting the flow to the trap wier add to the problem.
If you looking for code violation you may want to see;
2006/2009 IRC, P2705.1, Number 2. Wall-hung fixtures shall be rigidly supported so that the strain is not transmitted to the plumbing system.
In this case, if the washing machine box had been correctly installed between the studs; there would have been no need to use bends between the box and the trap wier.
The picture is really just an example of really bad plumbing; which, unfortunately is not a code violation. Hopefully, the bends will not cause a backup and flooding.
Uncle Bob
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beach
Gold Member
I could go with the installation instructions aspect regarding installation, but I don't think it would fall under the catagory of a " wall hung fixture" as used in chapter 4.
Daddy-0-
Moderator
All vertical PVC pipes shall be supported at top, bottom and mid level of floors.....or something like that. Also needs a large nail plate at stud penetration.
Francis Vineyard
Registered User
Assuming two condensation lines are being stubbed out into the garage would be a violation.
When I cite these types of attachments the plumber just extends the strap to the far stud, not much of an improvement in my opinion.
When I cite these types of attachments the plumber just extends the strap to the far stud, not much of an improvement in my opinion.
Love the vertical dryer vent duct.
I was in a home with one of these 3 yrs or so after occupancy, and the whole little laundry room had a thin lint coating on every surface. I suggested to the occupant they clean the vertical duct.
I was in a home with one of these 3 yrs or so after occupancy, and the whole little laundry room had a thin lint coating on every surface. I suggested to the occupant they clean the vertical duct.
Jobsaver
Registered User
These are likely secondary condensate lines or drain pan lines . . . no violation.Francis Vineyard said:
Francis Vineyard
Registered User
Jobsaver
Not a plumbing violation, R309.2 the garage shall be separated from the residence and its attic area by not less than ½ inch gypsum... the drain would defeat the minimum protection between the garage and dwelling.
But that's another topic.
Not a plumbing violation, R309.2 the garage shall be separated from the residence and its attic area by not less than ½ inch gypsum... the drain would defeat the minimum protection between the garage and dwelling.
But that's another topic.