What 2009 IBC Occupancy is this?

[sergoodo]

1800 sf Sleep testing facility: 4 sleep lab spaces performing diagnostic studies lasting 6-8 hours with patient monitored and data collected by technician. tenant of 8,000sf single story VB. My initial thought is apply B occupancy - office medical/lab, non sprinkled, non-separated.

 

[Coug Dad]

Group B Occupancy

 

[fatboy]

Agreed........... B. I argued this once, that one could consider a R-1, similar to a hotel. After being flogged and pretty much having my a$$ handed to me, in the end I agreed it was a B. :agree

 

[sergoodo]

R (...the use of a building or structure, or a portion thereof, for sleeping purposes...) I'm thinking R has got some legs with the sleep unit definition:

SLEEPING UNIT. ***A room or space in which people sleep***, which can also include permanent provisions for living, eating, and either sanitation or kitchen facilities but not both. Such rooms and spaces that are also part of a dwelling unit are not sleeping units.

R-3 Residential occupancies where the occupants are primarily permanent in nature and not classified as Group R-1, R-2, R-4 or I, including:...Adult/child care facilities that provide accommodations for five or fewer persons of any age for less than 24 hours.

<5 accommodations AND the technician provides care for the patient.

I am partial to B, jives with other portions of code requirements for parking, plumbing, its a business. Where do I git my arsh handed to me if I make an R3 run?

 

[sergoodo]

R enables application of sprinkler and separation requirements. This sleep lab would also fit R2 Live/Work Unit which includes sleeping unit...only requires non residential use operator/tenant to comply..see 419.1

R3 now R2, please stop me

 

[mjesse]

B.............

 

[Examiner]

It is a B. They are monitored by a Tech all the time. Someone is awake to render aid. The people who are being tested can get our on their own not an insitution.

 

[mtlogcabin]

The one we had a couple of years back the person would come in and be hooked up to monitors and go to sleep through the night. Some where given sleeping aids. The single attendant would also sleep through the night to be there in the morning to disconnect the sensors. We asked for detection and the installation of horn strobes in the sleeping units. No monoriting required. It made sense to the operators and they put them in. No sprinkler requirement for an R use at that time so it never came up.

Make sure you have a true understanding of how this facility will operate.

I type to slow

 

[sergoodo]

Thanks!

Thanks to all. Going with B, even though I know for certain there is lot of sleeping going on in B uses...unmonitored. maybe push monitored smoke detector, emergency notification devices already included One thought while taking stroll though the uses...AMBULATORY HEALTH CARE FACILITIES...only the ICC could pull of creating such an "oxymoronic" use...then apply conditions.

 

[Dr. J]

We have designed several of these, and all AJH's have classfied them as B occupancy. All happened to be in a sprinklered building anyway.

The 2009 throws a new wrinkle in there - B with an Ambulatory Health Care chaser - Buildings or portions thereof used to provide medical, surgical, psychiatric, nursing or similar care on a less than 24-hour basis to individuals who are rendered incapable of self-preservation.

Oh - I see you caught that Ambulatory Health Care thing.

 

[sergoodo]

less than 24-hour basis to individuals who are rendered incapable of self-preservation[/i]

OK, but I couldn't make the jump that a sleeping person is incapable of self preservation. let alone the lab does not render the patient incapable. Seems to me the patient renders themselves to sleep for diagnosis of sleep issues. In a diagnostic setting data collection of patients normal sleeping: if the booze themselves to sleep, watch TV, milk etc...the patient will be rendering what is normal. Never been studied, I just don't see the tech handing out rohypnol, ambien approaching ICC rendering definition...

what about the electrical premium for the occupancy AHJ follow through with requiring emergency power, hospital grade, etc etc. ?

 

[sergoodo]

Sprinkled anyway...just caught that...This size would requires domestic/residential system. The electrical differences would be dramatic compared to sprinkling this size

 

[JBI]

It is a research facility. 'B' occupancy.

SECTION 304 BUSINESS GROUP B

304.1 Business Group B. Business Group B occupancy includes, among others, the use of a building or structure, or a portion thereof, for office, professional or service-type transactions, including storage of records and accounts. Business occupancies shall include, but not be limited to, the following: (list edited and shortened to include only possible corresponding uses, JBI)

Ambulatory health care facilities (I don't find this to oxymoronic myself...)

Clinic-outpatient (If in fact a 'clinic' and the patients are being treated and not just studied)

Laboratories: testing and research (Personally, this is the only one I'd need for the OP)

Professional services (architects, attorneys, dentists, physicians, engineers, etc.)

Training and skill development not within a school or academic program (Are the monitors students or trainees?)

And, IMHO there is nothing oxymoronic about Ambulatory Health Care Facilities... sorry guys I don't get it.

 

[texasbo]

Where do I git my arsh handed to me if I make an R3 run?

Initially, on this forum. Subsequently, in your boss's office.

 

[Dr. J]

Serg - I see I either forgot or deleted an additional sentance. I agree that "incapable of self preservation" is a stretch, but I meant to point out that IF they use major "sleep aids", this could get them into the category. I could see that as an AHJ, you could sign off on it being a straight up "B" with the stipulation that nothing is given to patients that would not allow them to be rousted out of bed.

what about the electrical premium for the occupancy AHJ follow through with requiring emergency power, hospital grade, etc etc. ?

NEC Article 517 will apply, just as it does in any outpatient clinic. Full blown EM power at receptacles is not required, but hospital grade receptacles are. We usually end up providing additional emergency lighting in the patient care areas. This is typically just battery pack lights.

 

[Glennman CBO]

B. People sleep in hospitals too, but I would not call one an R.

 

[Yikes]

Didn't we cover this issue once before, either here or on the old ICC board?

http://www4.iccsafe.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=005417#000001

 

[FyrBldgGuy]

People sleep in our office... Must be an R. I know it can't be a B because no real work gets done.

 

[sergoodo]

I visit this board for work, reading is fun...what's the guilty feeling? Something gotta be wrong, probably "a cheepa sin"

Two thoughts:

#1 Ambulatory= relating to, or adapted to walking;moving from place to place; to walk about and not bedridden Ambulatory Health Care= Occupancy for those incapable of self-preservation...no walk, no move, in bed

#2

NEC Article 517 will apply, just as it does in any outpatient clinic. Full blown EM power at receptacles is not required, but hospital grade receptacles are.

A reasonable interpretation for "B occupancy" sleep lab, but when ambulatory patients find themselves in an"B-Ambulatory Health Care occupancy" sleep lab, there is a possibility of an alternate power source. Interpreted as required for the safety of those non ambulatory patients incapable of self-preservation. The threshold for 2009 IBC is 1 (that's one) or more patients as opposed to the NEC & NFPA threshold of 4 or more resulting in Ambulatory Health Care classification...

 

[peach]

B.. just like any other outpatient facility..