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Wine Cellar with Seating Exempt from Elevator

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Mike Hearn

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Learned a lot here in the past. New to posting.
Does a 1,200 s.f.wine cellar with seating, in a privately funded, newly constructed restaurant require an elevator according to 11B 206.2.3 Ex 1.2?

Is this exception in conflict with 11B 206.2.5?

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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e hilton said:
Why would privately funded be a factor?
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at least a Lula at a minimum.

It is not a private club is it? As described it is a T-III public (as in for profit) facility offering goods and services for sale.
Also, unless you have a dumbwaiter how do you propose to transfer wine cases and food to the basement?
 
e hilton said:
Why would privately funded be a factor?
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The requirement to provide access is excepted under certain conditions.

11B-206.2.3 Multi-story buildings and facilities
At least one accessible route shall connect each story and mezzanine in multi-story buildings and facilities.

Exceptions:
1. The following types of privately funded multistory buildings do not require a ramp or elevator above and below the first floor:

1.1. Multi-storied office buildings (other than the professional office of a health care provider) and passenger vehicle service stations less than three stories high or less than 3,000 square feet (279 m2) per story.

1.2. Any other privately funded multi-storied building that is not a shopping center, shopping mall or the professional office of a health care provider, or a terminal, depot or other station used for specified public transportation, or an airport passenger terminal and that is less than three stories high or less than 3,000 square feet (279 m2) per story if a reasonable portion of all facilities and accommodations normally sought and used by the public in such a building are accessible to and usable by persons with disabilities.


11B-206.2.5 Restaurants, cafeterias, banquet facilities and bars
In restaurants, cafeterias, banquet facilities, bars, and similar facilities, an accessible route shall be provided to all functional areas, including raised or sunken areas, and outdoor areas.

Thanks for responding.
 
ADAguy said:
at least a Lula at a minimum.

It is not a private club is it? As described it is a T-III public (as in for profit) facility offering goods and services for sale.
Also, unless you have a dumbwaiter how do you propose to transfer wine cases and food to the basement?
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Yes, they have proposed a "service elevator" in lieu of a passenger elevator.
 
mark handler said:
Acording to the access-board Freight elevators cannot be used to satisfy the requirement for an accessible route between floors.
Only passenger elevators as classified by the referenced elevator safety code (ASME A17.1) can be used to meet the ADA Standards.

Understood. To the original question: Does 11B 206.2.3 Ex 1.2 exempt requirement for ramp or elevator in this circumstance?
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I interpret that "privately funded" is a private club. members only no public access. Sounds like it will be open to the public so it would need to be accessible.
 
A one stop elevator is not that large a capitol expense, of course this depends on just how big the restaurant is to be.
Is the owner seeking gold plate on a beer budget? Does he own the building? Is it sprinklered?
 
ADAguy said:
A one stop elevator is not that large a capitol expense, of course this depends on just how big the restaurant is to be.
Is the owner seeking gold plate on a beer budget? Does he own the building? Is it sprinklered?
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It will need to be gurney sized....
 
Sure about that? He hasn't indicated how big the basement is, maybe a lot of wine but only seating for 12. Does the basement have 2 stairs out?
 
DMartin said:
I interpret that "privately funded" is a private club. members only no public access. Sounds like it will be open to the public so it would need to be accessible.
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The exceptions listed in 1.2 would not be allowed if any public monies (grants, RDA funds, tax exemptions, etc.) were involved with a project.
 
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