lpiburn
Silver Member
I'm looking for some help regarding how to convince others that accessible features really are necessary. For the purposes of this discussion, I'm not talking about the actual regulations in the code. I'm trying to get everyone on the same side (so to speak) so it can stop being a fight between the owner or designer and the AHJ or contractor.
The old argument about ADA features is "we don't have any handicapped people here" or alternatively "we just won't hire anyone in a wheelchair", so why should we have to change anything? These are fairly easy arguments to shoot down by explaining that this is a civil rights issue about non-discrimination. It's not about how many people are disabled, it's about not excluding disabled people if and when they want to use (or work at) your facility. It's even easier when the argument is about public facilities like schools or health centers.
A question that has been coming up for me lately is about employees. Specifically, jobs where you physically cannot perform the task if you are disabled in certain ways. Here are a few examples. (not my words, just paraphrasing things I heard):
1. Hazardous manufacturing. A wheelchair user or a blind person would either be completely unable to, or have extreme difficulty performing the kinds of tasks required by the job.
2. Law enforcement. If a disabled officer was hired (or became disabled in the line of duty) they would have to be given a desk job and therefore wouldn't use any of the back-of-house stuff like the locker rooms, armory, etc.
3. Agricultural. [comments about a bunkhouse/dining hall] you can't have a guy in a wheelchair picking strawberries, so why do we need to do all this back at the main building?
Now, a rule is a rule. So if things really come down to a fight, it's simply a matter of saying "here's the rule, make it right or you don't get a C.O.". For me that's equivalent to a parent telling their child "because I said so".
What I'm after is a way of explaining why these things still need to be done, regardless of whether or not you think they will ever be used at your particular facility. I would hope that this kind of education would help bring all stakeholders in a project closer to being able to meet the requirements without it being a big fighting point.
I look forward to hearing any thoughts or opinions on the matter.
-LP
The old argument about ADA features is "we don't have any handicapped people here" or alternatively "we just won't hire anyone in a wheelchair", so why should we have to change anything? These are fairly easy arguments to shoot down by explaining that this is a civil rights issue about non-discrimination. It's not about how many people are disabled, it's about not excluding disabled people if and when they want to use (or work at) your facility. It's even easier when the argument is about public facilities like schools or health centers.
A question that has been coming up for me lately is about employees. Specifically, jobs where you physically cannot perform the task if you are disabled in certain ways. Here are a few examples. (not my words, just paraphrasing things I heard):
1. Hazardous manufacturing. A wheelchair user or a blind person would either be completely unable to, or have extreme difficulty performing the kinds of tasks required by the job.
2. Law enforcement. If a disabled officer was hired (or became disabled in the line of duty) they would have to be given a desk job and therefore wouldn't use any of the back-of-house stuff like the locker rooms, armory, etc.
3. Agricultural. [comments about a bunkhouse/dining hall] you can't have a guy in a wheelchair picking strawberries, so why do we need to do all this back at the main building?
Now, a rule is a rule. So if things really come down to a fight, it's simply a matter of saying "here's the rule, make it right or you don't get a C.O.". For me that's equivalent to a parent telling their child "because I said so".
What I'm after is a way of explaining why these things still need to be done, regardless of whether or not you think they will ever be used at your particular facility. I would hope that this kind of education would help bring all stakeholders in a project closer to being able to meet the requirements without it being a big fighting point.
I look forward to hearing any thoughts or opinions on the matter.
-LP