Trash can socket in accessible bathroom

[ADAguy]

I feel like this is one of those situations where you have to approve something. We all know that they are going to throw the trash can back on there as soon as you walk out, so all you can do is file your photo and the inspection report for later reference if there is ever an issue.

Should have been caught at plan check by their CASp.

 

[ADAguy]

The state’s accessibility audits have been an extremely sore subject for accessibility reviewers/inspectors within Pennsylvania. When the audits began, municipal inspectors and Third Parties have lost jobs and or municipalities.

The state will arrange a date and a time with you, the BCO, you can be present for the audit. The state’s accessibility inspector comes into a municipality and pulls three random accessible plans, audits the plans as well as travel to the site and audit the accessible areas. After the audit, a letter is provided to the Pa BCO, same intent as a CBO just Pa.’s version, and a letter also goes to the municipality. It is a very black and white letter that list finding of the audit, it does not take into account after the fact scenarios despite obvious after the fact changes.

When the program got started, I among other inspectors just wanted the state to take over all accessibility inspections. To this day it’s my belief that was the state’s intention but the state is in the same if not worse in attempting to find qualified individuals, working for the state as an inspector pays a marginal starting salary however the long term benefits and retirement are assumed to be what is sought or moving up the ladder for better pay. I can’t speak to its pay now a days.

Accessibility can be a tumultuous subject however these audits have helped remove uncertified inspectors signing plans And performing inspections . I’m certain many of us inspectors learned from the audit process as builders learn from us, some harder then others depending if they really want to educate themselves and do the right thing.

That is why Texas has its TAS program

 

[Mr. Inspector]

Should have been caught at plan check by their CASp.

Which one of these do you mean by CASp?

CASP Stands For : Cabot After School Program | California Anti SLAPP Project | California Association of School Psychologists | Calling Amphibian Survey Program | Cambridge Arctic Shelf Programme | Campus And Space Planning | Canadian Agriculture Safety Program | Caspcentrale Aankoop Scheikundige Producten | Center for Advanced Solar Photophysics | Center for Autonomous Solar Power | Central Agency Services Platform | Centre For Applied Social Psychology | Certified Access Specialist Program | Christian Associates of Southwest Pennsylvania | Civil Appeals Settlement Program | College Academic Support Programs | Commodities Assistance Support Program | Community Accountancy Service For Pendle | Community After School Program | Community Aid And Sponsorship Programme | Community AIDS Service Penang | Community Alliance for Safety and Peace | Company Authorized Service Provider | complex adaptive system principles | CompTIA Advanced Security Practitioner | Computer Assisted Search Planning | Connecticut Association of School Psychologists | Convolution Approximation For Swift Particles | Cork Area Strategic Plan | Corporate Aircraft Service Program | Country Analysis Strategy Paper | Country Arts Support Program | Critical Appraisal Skills Programme | Critical Assessment Of Structure Prediction | Ctencentrale Aankoop Scheikundige Producten | Cyprus America Scholarship Program | The Comparative Assessment Of Structure Prediction

 

[mark handler]

Which one of these do you mean by CASp?

CASP Stands For : Cabot After School Program | California Anti SLAPP Project | California Association of School Psychologists | Calling Amphibian Survey Program | Cambridge Arctic Shelf Programme | Campus And Space Planning | Canadian Agriculture Safety Program | Caspcentrale Aankoop Scheikundige Producten | Center for Advanced Solar Photophysics | Center for Autonomous Solar Power | Central Agency Services Platform | Centre For Applied Social Psychology | Certified Access Specialist Program | Christian Associates of Southwest Pennsylvania | Civil Appeals Settlement Program | College Academic Support Programs | Commodities Assistance Support Program | Community Accountancy Service For Pendle | Community After School Program | Community Aid And Sponsorship Programme | Community AIDS Service Penang | Community Alliance for Safety and Peace | Company Authorized Service Provider | complex adaptive system principles | CompTIA Advanced Security Practitioner | Computer Assisted Search Planning | Connecticut Association of School Psychologists | Convolution Approximation For Swift Particles | Cork Area Strategic Plan | Corporate Aircraft Service Program | Country Analysis Strategy Paper | Country Arts Support Program | Critical Appraisal Skills Programme | Critical Assessment Of Structure Prediction | Ctencentrale Aankoop Scheikundige Producten | Cyprus America Scholarship Program | The Comparative Assessment Of Structure Prediction

certified access specialist program (CASP)

 

[Yikes]

Should have been caught at plan check by their CASp.

For that to happen:
1. Pennsylvania would need to adopt California's CASp program.
2. Pennsylvania would have to require submission of an CASp reviewer's plans as a condition of plan check.
3. The approved plans would have to specify something other than a "recessed" model in that space.

According to the OP, it was the vault construction which took away the normally-expected cavity, which would have allowed for a recessed fixture. I don't know of any CASp that claims to check for wall construction types during plan the review phase.

 

[ADAguy]

For that to happen:
1. Pennsylvania would need to adopt California's CASp program.
2. Pennsylvania would have to require submission of an CASp reviewer's plans as a condition of plan check.
3. The approved plans would have to specify something other than a "recessed" model in that space.

According to the OP, it was the vault construction which took away the normally-expected cavity, which would have allowed for a recessed fixture. I don't know of any CASp that claims to check for wall construction types during plan the review phase.

Many of we CA CASps are architects and a few SE's, always looking for these conflicts.

 

[ADAguy]

This was a commercial project, correct , not an IRC?

 

[Mr. Inspector]

Yes. That is why it's under the heading commercial codes, accessibility. I don't think anyone ever put one of these in a house, but if they did I wouldn't have failed it.

 

[classicT]

Should have been caught at plan check by their CASp.

This was a commercial project, correct , not an IRC?

ADAguy, you awake or...?

 

[ADAguy]

ADAguy, you awake or...?

Very awake, didn't understand why you had made ref to IRC?

 

[classicT]

Very awake, didn't understand why you had made ref to IRC?

What do you mean I made ref to IRC? This was my first post on this thread.

You're the only one who brought up the IRC. And asked about it not being caught by a Certified Access Specialist Program representative, which is unique to California, when the job is in Eastern Pennsylvania