Primary vs secondary travel distance

[masterbuilder]

For a place of assembly space, say a 1st floor with a 2nd floor mezzanine, does each level require a primary path? or can I categorize just the main floor as having a primary travel distance to the main exit, and all the remainder of travel paths to be secondary.

thanks for any input

 

[cda]

No such thing as primary

What is your real question???

Travel distance?

 

[masterbuilder]

No such thing as primary

What is your real question???

Travel distance?

There is primary and secondary travel distances in 1968 nyc building code. Primary max travel distance is 100 ft max, secondary is 125’ max. Question is if I have a travel distance that complies with the 100ft max on main level, can I call all the other travel distances , specifically from mezzanine as secondary travel distances

 

[cda]

There is primary and secondary travel distances in 1968 nyc building code. Primary max travel distance is 100 ft max, secondary is 125’ max. Question is if I have a travel distance that complies with the 100ft max on main level, can I call all the other travel distances , specifically from mezzanine as secondary travel distances

Sorry

I do not speak New York

I am thinking no.

Do you have a link to the verbiage of the entire section???


And is this just a question and not for a remodel or new project??

 

[cda]

This is 2008 but sounds like it may read 1968:::

??????

C26-801.9] 27-533 Travel distance. -
At least one exit opening shall be available from every attached seat or standee space in an assembly space, or from the most remote point in the space when movable seats are provided or, when no seats are provided, within the primary travel distance limitation listed in table 8-1. In addition, an alternate exit opening shall be available from every attached seat or standee space, or from the most remote point when attached seats are not provided within the secondary travel distance limitation listed in
table 8-1. Such alternate exit openings may serve to satisfy the requirements for primary travel distance for other seats or locations. Exit openings satisfying the primary and secondary travel distance requirements for any one seat or location shall be separated from each other by a distance of at least twenty-five feet.
(a) Travel distance shall be the measured distance along centerlines of paths of travel to the centerline of the exit opening, as adjusted by penalties for multi- directional or stepped travel as provided below.
(1) No path of travel shall be permitted through rows of seating other than the first leg of travel from a seat to an aisle.
(2) The first thirty-five feet of a primary path of travel and a secondary path of travel may be
common to each other except that this distance may be increased to fifty feet in F-2 places of assembly.
(3) Not more than three changes in direction of travel shall be permitted in the path of travel to an exit opening. A change in direction shall be deemed to occur when it is necessary to change direction by a forty-five degrees or greater angle, measured from the preceding line of travel, except that it shall not be considered as a change in direction when it is necessary in an aisle or cross aisle to travel in another direction not more than seven feet.

 

[masterbuilder]

Sorry

I do not speak New York

I am thinking no.

Do you have a link to the verbiage of the entire section???


And is this just a question and not for a remodel or new project??

This is for an existing building, no work, they need what in new york they call "place of assembly". any space over 75 persons requires special permit.

 

[masterbuilder]

This is 2008 but sounds like it may read 1968:::

??????

C26-801.9] 27-533 Travel distance. -
At least one exit opening shall be available from every attached seat or standee space in an assembly space, or from the most remote point in the space when movable seats are provided or, when no seats are provided, within the primary travel distance limitation listed in table 8-1. In addition, an alternate exit opening shall be available from every attached seat or standee space, or from the most remote point when attached seats are not provided within the secondary travel distance limitation listed in
table 8-1. Such alternate exit openings may serve to satisfy the requirements for primary travel distance for other seats or locations. Exit openings satisfying the primary and secondary travel distance requirements for any one seat or location shall be separated from each other by a distance of at least twenty-five feet.
(a) Travel distance shall be the measured distance along centerlines of paths of travel to the centerline of the exit opening, as adjusted by penalties for multi- directional or stepped travel as provided below.
(1) No path of travel shall be permitted through rows of seating other than the first leg of travel from a seat to an aisle.
(2) The first thirty-five feet of a primary path of travel and a secondary path of travel may be
common to each other except that this distance may be increased to fifty feet in F-2 places of assembly.
(3) Not more than three changes in direction of travel shall be permitted in the path of travel to an exit opening. A change in direction shall be deemed to occur when it is necessary to change direction by a forty-five degrees or greater angle, measured from the preceding line of travel, except that it shall not be considered as a change in direction when it is necessary in an aisle or cross aisle to travel in another direction not more than seven feet.

Correct that's the rules, and I am interpreting this as "at least one exit opening shall be available that complies with the primary travel distance in an assembly space". Since I am considering the 1st floor and mezzanine as one assembly space, I do have a travel distance that complies with the primary travel distance of 100ft, I am calling the mezzanine travel distances secondary thus can be 125ft long.

 

[cda]

Correct that's the rules, and I am interpreting this as "at least one exit opening shall be available that complies with the primary travel distance in an assembly space". Since I am considering the 1st floor and mezzanine as one assembly space, I do have a travel distance that complies with the primary travel distance of 100ft, I am calling the mezzanine travel distances secondary thus can be 125ft long.

I read it no matter where you stand,,,

You have to meet the primary travel distance.