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Shower Truck and Accessibility

arwat23

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I have a client that wants to use a shower trailer (think something like this) in their warehouse. Their space consists of a few small offices, a break area, and a lot of warehouse space. They're installing a few accessible showers in their permanent restrooms, but those room are not "adjacent" to where the shower trailer will be. Also, the trailer is not going in for a while - maybe a year or so after construction is complete. It's also something that'll be coming and going fairly frequently - it's not permanently staying in the warehouse, but it will be used when it's in the warehouse.

Do the showers in that trailer need to comply with accessibility requirements? I believe it does (temporary structure?), but I'm not completely sure since it'll be moving around and when it's not being used inside the warehouse accessibility wouldn't apply.

In California using 2022 CBC.
 
Is the intent to have showers for the employees of the warehouse to use? Or are these showers intended for use by the public (such as a drop-in service center for the homeless)?
 
Is the intent to have showers for the employees of the warehouse to use? Or are these showers intended for use by the public (such as a drop-in service center for the homeless)?
Employees only, even when it's out on the road. The public will never use this.
 
A trailer isn't in the scope of the IBC.

[A] 101.2 Scope. The provisions of this code shall apply to
the construction, alteration, relocation, enlargement, replacement,
repair, equipment, use and occupancy, location, maintenance,
removal and demolition of every building or
structure or any appurtenances connected or attached to such
buildings or structures.
 
It's a structure, so the building code applies. And it serves the company's employees, so it is within the purview of the ADA (and, I assume, California accessibility code).
 
They're installing a few accessible showers in their permanent restrooms,
The permanent restroom showers and the number provided should meet the requirements for the OL of the building. The trailer would be in excess of the required number and IMHO accessibility requirements would not apply when used in the warehouse.
It's also something that'll be coming and going fairly frequently
Now where it is going and who will be using it will require more information to have an opinion.
 
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Now where it is going and who will be using it will require more information to have an opinion.
It's for the city's Fire Department. I believe they plan to bring it out to their staging areas for any large fires in the future.
The permanent restroom showers and the number provided should meet the requirements for the OL of the building. The trailer would be in excess of the required number and IMHO accessibility requirements would not apply when used in the warehouse.
Permanent restrooms and showers are provided that meet the minimum required based on the OL. Why wouldn't the ones in the warehouse need to be accessible?
 
It's a structure, so the building code applies. And it serves the company's employees, so it is within the purview of the ADA (and, I assume, California accessibility code).
If it weren't a trailer, I'd be 100% on board. Given it's somewhat unique nature compared to permanent facilities or even other temporary facilities, I wasn't sure.
 
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A trailer isn't in the scope of the IBC.

[A] 101.2 Scope. The provisions of this code shall apply to
the construction, alteration, relocation, enlargement, replacement,
repair, equipment, use and occupancy, location, maintenance,
removal and demolition of every building or
structure or any appurtenances connected or attached to such
buildings or structures.
I believe it's within the scope of our building code. I also didn't mention that this is for a city, not a private business... Probably would have been helpful if I mentioned that sooner... My bad:

CBC 1.9.1.1: See Government Code commencing with Section 4450.
Publicly funded buildings, structures, sidewalks, curbs and related facilities shall be accessible to and usable by persons with disabilities as follows:

...
CBC 1.9.1.1.2: All buildings, structures and facilities that are leased, rented, contracted, sublet or hired by any municipal, county or state division of government, or by a special district. For public housing see Section 1.9.1.3.
...

CBC 1.9.1.1.4: With respect to buildings, structures, sidewalks, curbs and related facilities not requiring a building permit, building standards published in the California Building Standards Code relating to access for persons with disabilities and other regulations adopted pursuant to Government Code Section 4450, and in effect at the time construction is commenced, shall be applicable.

CBC 11B-201.3: These requirements shall apply to temporary and permanent buildings and facilities.

If the trailer falls under anything listed above and isn't exempt by something else, then building code usually applies.


Just to clarify because I don't think I was clear before, here's the part on not sure about. The trailer is used by a fire department. It's only meant to be used by fire fighters. While in the warehouse, it serves as temporary shower facilities (there are permanent facilities that cover the OL of the building). When out on the road, it's only used by fire fighters who are fighting fires. The latter situation I assume doesn't need to be accessible given the nature of their work, but the former I think might.
 
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It is a vehicle and not under your jurisdiction as a building department.
It is not a building or structure that would be regulated under the building codes. You can not require a permit to place it at an active fire scene. Heck that would probably take a year or more to get through the process in California.

In other words it is not your problem if it is not accessible
 
It is a vehicle and not under your jurisdiction as a building department.
It is not a building or structure that would be regulated under the building codes. You can not require a permit to place it at an active fire scene. Heck that would probably take a year or more to get through the process in California.

In other words it is not your problem if it is not accessible
I don't work at a building department and my client asked me to look into this, so it's unfortunately my problem.

Building permit? No. You're correct, we don't need one for that trailer as far as I'm aware.

Building code requirements? Possibly, at least while it's in the warehouse. That's what I'm trying to figure out.


I believe the shower trailer is an HCD-regulated commercial/special-purpose commercial modular unit subject to CBC Chapter 11B under 25 CCR §4353. Under IBC / CBC 105.2, permit exemptions do not authorize work that violates the CBC. Separately, Gov. Code §4450–§4461 and ADA Title II (28 CFR §35.151; 2010 ADA Standards) require accessibility for new/altered local-government facilities.


But this is a "Building Code" forum... Let's start with CBC Chapter 1:

Scope of DSA-AC (Accessibility):
CBC 1.9.1.1 Application
See Government Code commencing with Section 4450.
Publicly funded buildings, structures, sidewalks, curbs and related facilities shall be accessible to and usable by persons with disabilities as follows:
...
CBC 1.9.1.1.2
All buildings, structures and facilities that are leased, rented, contracted, sublet or hired by any municipal, county or state division of government, or by a special district. For public housing see Section 1.9.1.3.
...
CBC 1.9.1.1.4
With respect to buildings, structures, sidewalks, curbs and related facilities not requiring a building permit, building standards published in the California Building Standards Code relating to access for persons with disabilities and other regulations adopted pursuant to Government Code Section 4450, and in effect at the time construction is commenced, shall be applicable.

IBC / CBC 105.2

Exemptions from permit requirements of this code shall not be deemed to grant authorization for any work to be done in any manner in violation of the provisions of this code or any other laws or ordinances of this jurisdiction.


Okay, so anything that's a "building" or "facility" that is used by the government needs to comply with accessibility requirements, regardless of if a permit is required or not. Is this a building or facility?


Definition of "temporary" as defined in our building code with DSA advisory:
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Definition of "facility" as adopted in our building code:
"All or any portion of buildings, structures, site improvements, elements and pedestrian or vehicular routes located on a site. [DSA-AC] All or any portion of buildings, structures, site improvements, elements, and pedestrian routes or vehicular ways located on a site."

Definition of "Element" as adopted in our state:

Element [DSA-AC]
An architectural or mechanical component of a building, facility, space or site.



This trailer meets the definition of "temporary" "facility" as defined and adopted by DSA-AC as far as I read it.


If it weren't being hauled around, it would need to be accessible imo. But since it's being used both inside and in the field and it's use in the field is restricted to certain personal, I'm trying to determine accessibility only applies in the warehouse or not at all (I'm under the assumption it wouldn't apply when deployed in the field).
 

1110.2​

Each toilet room and bathing room shall be accessible. Where a floor level is not required to be connected by an accessible route, the only toilet rooms or bathing rooms provided within the facility shall not be located on the inaccessible floor.
Building code requirements? Possibly, at least while it's in the warehouse. That's what I'm trying to figure out.

All of the required toilet and showers are located on an accessible route in the warehouse. The showers in the trailer are not required and you can install a sign directing them to the accessible toilet/bathing facilities.

If the warehouse has a fire suppression system in it wouldn't the trailer require a suppression and notification system if it becomes a use in the building in lieu of just being stored inside the building?

Your over thinking this and believing the building or accessibility code is applicable to this specific situation could open up a big old can of worms trying to apply all the different code requirements to a trailer.
 

1110.2​

Each toilet room and bathing room shall be accessible. Where a floor level is not required to be connected by an accessible route, the only toilet rooms or bathing rooms provided within the facility shall not be located on the inaccessible floor.
The area the trailed will located and used in the warehouse is required to be on an accessible route.
All of the required toilet and showers are located on an accessible route in the warehouse. The showers in the trailer are not required and you can install a sign directing them to the accessible toilet/bathing facilities.
Other restrooms are not "clustered in a single location" (CBC 11B-213.2 ex.4) with the trailer showers. A sign is not allowed in this situation as far as I've seen. All bathrooms are new.

If the warehouse has a fire suppression system in it wouldn't the trailer require a suppression and notification system if it becomes a use in the building in lieu of just being stored inside the building?

I don't know. That's not part of my scope for this work and I don't work on fire suppression systems.
Your over thinking this and believing the building or accessibility code is applicable to this specific situation could open up a big old can of worms trying to apply all the different code requirements to a trailer.
Overthinking and being as annoyingly specific as possible are my specialties lol. I've been told by our State's Access Compliance (part of the State Architect) that trailers can be required to comply with accessibility depending on their use. Kinda spiraled from there.
 
Also, the trailer is not going in for a while - maybe a year or so after construction is complete.
In a year or so means it may never happen.
How about
Note on plans
Water and sewer hook ups are provided in the warehouse/wash bay to clean, sanitize the trailer and dispose of the grey water and sewer effluent only.
 
The only way I can see the trailer being required to be accessible is if the warehouse doesn't have an adequate number of accessible fixtures. It should be kept locked up while being stored anyway.
 
The only way I can see the trailer being required to be accessible is if the warehouse doesn't have an adequate number of accessible fixtures. It should be kept locked up while being stored anyway.

1110.2​

Each toilet room and bathing room shall be accessible. Where a floor level is not required to be connected by an accessible route, the only toilet rooms or bathing rooms provided within the facility shall not be located on the inaccessible floor.

So what exception are you using in 1110.2?
 
The only way I can see the trailer being required to be accessible is if the warehouse doesn't have an adequate number of accessible fixtures. It should be kept locked up while being stored anyway.
The tenant wants to use the trailer while it's in the warehouse. It's not just to store it. They'll be hooking it up to the sewer while it's in the warehouse too. If they were JUSY storing it, then this would be a lot simpler lol.
 
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