109.3 bldg permit valuations

[BSSTG]

Greetings all,

09 IBC 109.3

109.3 Building permit valuations. The applicant for a permit

shall provide an estimated permit value at time of application.

Permit valuations shall include total value of work, including

materials and labor, for which the permit is being issued, such

as electrical, gas, mechanical, plumbing equipment and permanent

systems. If, in the opinion of the building official, the valuation

is underestimated on the application, the permit shall be

denied, unless the applicant can show detailed estimates to

meet the approval of the building official. Final building permit

valuation shall be set by the building official.

In reading this, it appears to me it would indicate that a "building permit" should only be priced per the valuation of the building only. Since other permits are required for other trades and they pay their respective permit fees, then the valuation of the other work would not be included in the building permit fee in reading this section right? I don't think that's the intent though. All said, it has always been my opinion that the "building permit valuation" should be a compilation of all improvements. For instance, when using the ICC data for construction cost estimation it is based on the total construction price per sq ft. It does not break down different trades. I think most would agree with that. I know in my area of Tx that is the basic thinking on permit valuations.

In reading this section of the code it looks to me to be conflicted. Am I missing something here?

The reason I bring this up is that there are several yahoos that always want to price their jobs at a fraction of what they really are. I have been calling them out on it lately and receiving some blowback. I realize the last sentence in this section is my trump card. It doesn't much stop the complainers though. I always invite them to my office to read the stinking book. Rarely does anybody take me up on it though!

Have a Blessed Day!

BS

 

[brudgers]

If you just issue one permit for all the trades, then you don't encounter part of this issue.

And when someone wants to expedite a foundation permit, you can charge them the entire permit fee upfront.

While still being a good guy, no less.

 

[mtlogcabin]

Permit valuations shall include total value of work, includingmaterials and labor, for which the permit is being issued, such

as electrical, gas, mechanical, plumbing equipment and permanent

systems.

We include everything except the land and all improvements outside the building footprint, site work, parking lots, utilities to the building.

Never been challenged about permit fees

 

[Alias]

Same as mtlogcabin here. Usually, one permit for all work being performed. I have a square footage cost that I use in calculating new construction for plumbing, electrical, and mechanical. I add this to the building permit and plan check fees.

Remodels have a different fee schedule as they are an existing building (lower cost most cases).

Sue

 

[Papio Bldg Dept]

We use separate permits. A commercial master permit may be calculated either by valuation or per ICC occ/construction type * sf valuation tables. A building permit fee and plan review fee are required. Separate plumbing, mechanical and electrical permits are required and fees are based upon itemized fixture counts. We justify the separate permits for verification of licensing and inspection fees.

 

[SCBO1]

One permit works best for me but its not a problem issuing seperate permits it just means I've got to enter a lot of additional info and I'm it! No (PT) Permit Tech to do it. But I use the ICC's (BVD) Building Valuation Data to make sure their in the ballpark, my permit fees have not been adjusted since 1998. The BVD is a useful tool to combat lowballers!

pc1

 

[BSSTG]

One permit works best for me but its not a problem issuing seperate permits it just means I've got to enter a lot of additional info and I'm it! No (PT) Permit Tech to do it. But I use the ICC's (BVD) Building Valuation Data to make sure their in the ballpark, my permit fees have not been adjusted since 1998. The BVD is a useful tool to combat lowballers! pc1

I'm with you PC. I'm the lone ranger in my jurisdiction. In fact the gals that help are trained in public works. They got a little offended when I cajoled their boss into sending them to permit tech school next spring!

BS