10th Floor Condo Egress Issue?

[jar546]

I am looking for opinions on this and it may just be much ado about nothing(Shakespeare). In this case, we have a proposal to eliminate a "service door" and block/seal it off. When you get off either elevator (current floor plan) you can go straight into the entry doors of the condo, make a left and go through the service door in question which goes through the laundry room of the condo and then through a rated door to the stairwell. If you go to the right, you can go to another rated door to another stairwell for egress.

The proposal to block off access from the elevator foyer would eliminate a choice of egress stairwells although I don't know if the "service door" is kept locked anyway as it leads into the laundry room of the condo.

If this were a panic door that allowed access to the stairwell from the foyer, would that change your opinion?

Again, this may be much ado about nothing. I do know that access to each floor from the elevator is controlled and not just anyone can get to the elevator or to whatever floor they want without security approval or a fob.

 

[cda]

Hum a few thoughts



1. have to look at the section that talks about access to exits with just one tenant

2. Looks like the tenant themselves is required access to two stairs ???

3. Than there is access to a one stair from elevator lobby

Will look the college games are not going good

 

[cda]

sorry cannot copy and paste

Out of 2015 3006.4

 

[cda]

PLus since this is a high rise, need to look at any high rise provisons

 

[cda]

Just to clarify, they only want to block the door to the left???

Anyone coming up the elevator can go to the right and get off the floor???

 

[jar546]

Yes, as explained and shown

 

[cda]

Yes, as explained and shown

Well now that you say that, sounds legal

You might see if others agree

 

[tbz]

Based on the current drawing, is the current door being eliminated already locked or does the door have exit hardware and anyone can get into the room coming off the elevator and coming back through the other stairwell? in other words does the common stair to the lobby have two way access or not?

If the private lobby has the ability to freely flow to both stairwells then I would venture a look at the fire code and not just 3006.4 which allows for only one egress from the lobby.

I would also as noted look at the high rise portion of the code, no access from my current location.

But, looking at the currently installed functionality is key, I would also look hard if possible at other floor levels with there configuration of single tenant floor levels.

 

[Builder Bob]

Looks as if may make it safer by creating more separation of the moe stairways.... are those the only two stairways and is the suite over 2000 sf?

 

[jar546]

Looks as if may make it safer by creating more separation of the moe stairways.... are those the only two stairways and is the suite over 2000 sf?

Yes and Yes

 

[steveray]

That is a toughy and I would agree with BB....More egress is never a bad thing.... unless the dryer fire wipes them both out....

 

[Builder Bob]

How does the separation of exits play for the overall floor plan -- we see a partial floor plan and it appears the exits may be to close to each other. IMHO

 

[cda]

Exiting condition,, approved long time ago,,,

just want to block access from elevator to one exit...

Other exit can be used

 

[VillageInspector]

Seems to me that this is actually improving a potentially bad situation. If there were a fire in the laundry room or anywhere nearby there's a potential to cut off all three means of egress under the current configuration.