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2% cross slope on impervious POT surface adjacent to a building

ADAguy

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2% max cross slope is required for surfaces at doors, ramps, landings & sidewalks but 1804 of structural requires a minimum of 2% cross slope adjacent to a building (this to maintain drainage.

Given that to maintain exactly 2% is not possible, what do you recommend?
 
2% is the required minimum under 1804

2% is the required maximum under accessibility cross slopes.

Make it 2% and you meet both or

Given that to maintain exactly 2% is not possible, what do you recommend?
relocate your accessible POT.
 
From ADA:

http://www.ada.gov/regs2010/titleIII_2010/reg3_2010_appendix_b.htm

Advisory 104.1.1 Construction and Manufacturing Tolerances. Conventional industry tolerances recognized by this provision include those for field conditions and those that may be a necessary consequence of a particular manufacturing process. Recognized tolerances are not intended to apply to design work.

It is good practice when specifying dimensions to avoid specifying a tolerance where dimensions are absolute. For example, if this document requires "1 inches," avoid specifying "1 inches plus or minus X inches."

Where the requirement states a specified range, such as in Section 609.4 where grab bars must be installed between 33 inches and 36 inches above the floor, the range provides an adequate tolerance and therefore no tolerance outside of the range at either end point is permitted.

Where a requirement is a minimum or a maximum dimension that does not have two specific minimum and maximum end points, tolerances may apply. Where an element is to be installed at the minimum or maximum permitted dimension, such as "15 inches minimum" or "5 pounds maximum", it would not be good practice to specify "5 pounds (plus X pounds) or 15 inches (minus X inches)." Rather, it would be good practice to specify a dimension less than the required maximum (or more than the required minimum) by the amount of the expected field or manufacturing tolerance and not to state any tolerance in conjunction with the specified dimension.

Specifying dimensions in design in the manner described above will better ensure that facilities and elements accomplish the level of accessibility intended by these requirements. It will also more often produce an end result of strict and literal compliance with the stated requirements and eliminate enforcement difficulties and issues that might otherwise arise. Information on specific tolerances may be available from industry or trade organizations, code groups and building officials, and published references.
 
I often see ADA inspectors use a 2-foot "smart level" and demand 2%. Had to ask one of them to check across the whole 5' which met 2.1%. The current ICC A117.1 and the 2010 ADA Standards say 1:48 or 2.1%. Construction specs I see typically use 1/4" in 10' tolerance for floors. That would be off 1/8" over a 5' landing. Not hard to push that much difference on a perfect set and screed job with the broom.
 
The codes require it to be minimum of 1:50 for drainage and maximum of 1:48 for accessibility or roughtly between 0.96 and 1.00 inches fall in 4 feet or a 1 mm range.

Hope your flatwork guy is really really good.

Surface roughness exceeds that, much less seasonal movement of the flatwork. Accessibility allows for a 1/4 inch abrupt change in floor level. Our enforcement policy is we measure slope using a 4 foot level and a tape measure. If it comes up between 3/4 and 1-3/4 inches in 4 feet we call it good. Using this method there is at least a 1/8th inch measurement error in arguing where the bubble is centered etc.
 
I used to hassle the guys with smart levels and make them fully calibrate it to manufactures instructions, which of course nobody know how to do, then show how you could move it without it registering movement.

They would also try to just use the module which I would not accept.

Brent.
 
Thank you all for your responses to date, I have passed this question on to the Access Board to get their take, awaiting a reply.
 
Herein lies the answer, units vs percentage, 1:48 (.0283) ADA vs 1:50 (.02) (2%) IBC Grading is a difference of .498" at 60".

Meeting 2% - 1.2"/60"(+)<.498 will be less than 1:48 1.698" and meets both requirements.

Can they do it, if as you say they use the right mechanic.
 
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