We are adding a bathroom to the second level of a existing building that is employee only use. They are citing accessibility requirements, but the stairs are non-compliant and not accessible to a handicapped person. They agreed that that portion is grandfathered in but they keep pushing of the bathroom needs to be ADA compliant. Can anybody point me towards articles are lawsuits that show accessibility has to be made in the first place for the structure to be ADA compliant?
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2nd story employee only bathroom
- Thread starter Tyler M.
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fatboy
Administrator
I don't have my Codes in front of me, but I believe if there are accessible facilities within one floor, you are compliant. I'm sure others will reply before I get back the the office.
steveray
SAWHORSE
How big is the second floor and what is the use? I don't have an easy way out of this one....
1104.4 Multistory buildings and facilities. At least one
accessible route shall connect each accessible story and mezzanine
in multilevel buildings and facilities.
Exceptions:
1. An accessible route is not required to stories and
mezzanines that have an aggregate area of not more
than 3,000 square feet (278.7 m2) and are located
above and below accessible levels. This exception
shall not apply to:
1.1. Multiple tenant facilities of Group M occupancies
containing five or more tenant
spaces used for the sales or rental of goods
and where at least one such tenant space is
located on a floor level above or below the
accessible levels;
1.2. Stories or mezzanines containing offices of
health care providers (Group B or I);
1.3. Passenger transportation facilities and airports
(Group A-3 or B); or
1.4. Government buildings.
2. Stories or mezzanines that do not contain accessible
elements or other spaces as determined by Section
1107 or 1108 are not required to be served by an
accessible route from an accessible level.
3. In air traffic control towers, an accessible route is
not required to serve the cab and the floor immediately
below the cab.
4. Where a two-story building or facility has one story
or mezzanine with an occupant load of five or fewer
persons that does not contain public use space, that
story or mezzanine shall not be required to be connected
by an accessible route to the story above or
below.
Basically, if the route is required in new, the new bathroom is required to be accessible....
1104.4 Multistory buildings and facilities. At least one
accessible route shall connect each accessible story and mezzanine
in multilevel buildings and facilities.
Exceptions:
1. An accessible route is not required to stories and
mezzanines that have an aggregate area of not more
than 3,000 square feet (278.7 m2) and are located
above and below accessible levels. This exception
shall not apply to:
1.1. Multiple tenant facilities of Group M occupancies
containing five or more tenant
spaces used for the sales or rental of goods
and where at least one such tenant space is
located on a floor level above or below the
accessible levels;
1.2. Stories or mezzanines containing offices of
health care providers (Group B or I);
1.3. Passenger transportation facilities and airports
(Group A-3 or B); or
1.4. Government buildings.
2. Stories or mezzanines that do not contain accessible
elements or other spaces as determined by Section
1107 or 1108 are not required to be served by an
accessible route from an accessible level.
3. In air traffic control towers, an accessible route is
not required to serve the cab and the floor immediately
below the cab.
4. Where a two-story building or facility has one story
or mezzanine with an occupant load of five or fewer
persons that does not contain public use space, that
story or mezzanine shall not be required to be connected
by an accessible route to the story above or
below.
Basically, if the route is required in new, the new bathroom is required to be accessible....
Tyler ... a couple of random thoughts. If you are builfing a new restroom on the second floor, jusg go ahead and make it ada compatible. Its a whole lot easier to do it from the beginnjng rather than going back later and rebuilding. You need to spens ... what ... 10% on accessibility ... heres your chance. Nd you are asking vor reference to law suits as a defence ... wow thats a pretty harsh way to intriduce yourself and your situation. If you want law suits, call a lawyer. If yoh want code advice, youre in the right place.
What kind of business is this, that osha is concerned about hazardous chemicals?
What kind of business is this, that osha is concerned about hazardous chemicals?
mtlogcabin
SAWHORSE
Handicap does not mean wheelchair needed. It can be a bad back, knees or suffering from Chronic Regional Pain Syndrome (CRPS) like my wife from a broken foot years ago. So grab bars and higher water closets and a shower seat are aids that are need sometimes.
Mech
REGISTERED
2015 IBC
Section 1109.2 Toilet and bathing facilities. Each toilet room and bathing room shall be accessible. Where a floor level is not required to be connected by an accessible route, the only toilet rooms or bathing rooms provided within the facility shall not be located on the inaccessible floor. Except as provided for in Sections 1109.2.2 and 1109.2.3, at least one of each type of fixture, element, control or dispenser in each accessible toilet room and bathing room shall be accessible. [Exceptions not shown here.]
I do not think you qualify for any of the exceptions for a new toilet room to not be accessible.
Section 1109.2 Toilet and bathing facilities. Each toilet room and bathing room shall be accessible. Where a floor level is not required to be connected by an accessible route, the only toilet rooms or bathing rooms provided within the facility shall not be located on the inaccessible floor. Except as provided for in Sections 1109.2.2 and 1109.2.3, at least one of each type of fixture, element, control or dispenser in each accessible toilet room and bathing room shall be accessible. [Exceptions not shown here.]
I do not think you qualify for any of the exceptions for a new toilet room to not be accessible.
You know sometimes a NON-handicapped person benefits from the ADA requirements, grab bars, higher toilet, mirror tilt and lever handle are a few. And as far as the stairs, a handicapped person is not always in a wheelchair.
When this employee has an accident but can still work upstairs, but can't get the door open would he then have to use the other bathrooms on the other floor. Will budget cuts prevent them from changing the door knob into the bathroom?
Also I did not know that OSHA is involved with plan reviews, shouldn't the building codes dictate a shower and hand wash station.
When this employee has an accident but can still work upstairs, but can't get the door open would he then have to use the other bathrooms on the other floor. Will budget cuts prevent them from changing the door knob into the bathroom?
Also I did not know that OSHA is involved with plan reviews, shouldn't the building codes dictate a shower and hand wash station.
Yeah, like when Father Time starts to catch up ... not that i would admit to being old ...
Wifes sister had a toto high potty installed. Wife tried it one day ... we bought two. And i reluctantly admit that its more comfortable.
Mr. Inspector
SAWHORSE
IBC requires all new built toilet rooms not in residential to be accessible, period. Doesn't matter where it is. Doesn't matter if it is on a story or building that's not accessible. Just a few breaks for a private (one person) office.
ADAguy
REGISTERED
Welcome to the benefits of Universal Design.
ADAguy
REGISTERED
Disabilities come in many flavors, not all of which are mobility based.
"e" I think it's a violation of the guy code to admit to the wife that she was right, one day you'll be out shopping and come across the "perfect fishing pole" and she'll say "What do you need that for?" Here try it, it bates it's self!
mark handler
SAWHORSE
And who knows when the elevator might be installed or PW-4x4Q Stair Climbing Wheelchair
Builder Bob
SAWHORSE
Wonder how many flights it can go up before the chair quits?? Then what happens? does it roll back down the stairs?
ADAguy
REGISTERED
It "locks" in place and waits.
Builder Bob
SAWHORSE
heading downhill would be terrifying...... locked in placed.