mark handler
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imhotep said:
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Access to Service Panel
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It would make for interesting labling or signage, do you hang the electric room sign in the bathroom or on the door to the bathroom or both. What if the controls for the AHU is in the electric room or fire alarm panel. Would most fire fighters ever think to go in the bathroom to locate the signs in there.
imhotep
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Read.....mark handler said:
"When I got through the hole I walked down a 6 ft hallway about 20 feet in length... and straight ahead was an electrical rook(SIC) with the service panel!!!"
mark handler
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Keep reading there's moreimhotep said:
I'll bet you read half a book and stop....
imhotep
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Nice.mark handler said:
If a door was placed in the bathroom there would be access to the electrical panel without going through the adjacent tenant space. The hall would then be limited common space shared between the two tenants. Both the existing tenant door and the new door in the bathroom (if allowed) would serve as access to the electrical panels. The question was what code provision would prohibit this?
mark handler
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NEC 230.70(A) The service disconnecting means shall be installed at a readily accessible location either outside a building or structure or inside nearest the point of entrance of the service-entrance conductors.
what happes to the readily accessible location when the adjacent tenant blocks the door
what happes to the readily accessible location when the adjacent tenant blocks the door
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mark handler
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225.35 Access to Occupants. In a multiple-occupancy
building, each occupant shall have access to the occupant's
supply disconnecting means.
Exception: In a multiple-occupancy building where
electric supply and electrical maintenance are provided by
the building management and where these are under
continuous building management supervision, the supply
disconnecting means supplying more than one occupancy
shall be permitted to be accessible to authorized
management personnel only.
building, each occupant shall have access to the occupant's
supply disconnecting means.
Exception: In a multiple-occupancy building where
electric supply and electrical maintenance are provided by
the building management and where these are under
continuous building management supervision, the supply
disconnecting means supplying more than one occupancy
shall be permitted to be accessible to authorized
management personnel only.
RJJ
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230.70 always becomes a problem when tenants change and 225.35 is ok as long as someone is around.
chris kennedy
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ARTICLE 225 Outside Branch Circuits and Feeders ???mark handler said:
mark handler
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Yes, and? There are no "Outside Branch Circuits and Feeders" in multiple-occupancy buildings?chris kennedy said:
You don't need access?
There is only 16" to 24" of space left to the right of the lavatory. To install a door the door would have to swing in and then toy would only have the 16 to 24" space left to access the hallway.
Doesn't the electrical room door have to swing outward? What about the clearance to get through the door? Maybe 24".......
Thanks for all of the discussion. There are some very interesting comments!
Doesn't the electrical room door have to swing outward? What about the clearance to get through the door? Maybe 24".......
Thanks for all of the discussion. There are some very interesting comments!
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Here is a link to some discussion that we recently had on Electrical
Rooms and the egress requirements.
http://www.inspectpa.com/forum/showthread.php?5703-110.26©(2)-or-1008.1.9-panic-hardware-in-electrical-rooms&highlight=electrical+rooms
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Here is a link to some discussion that we recently had on Electrical
Rooms and the egress requirements.
http://www.inspectpa.com/forum/showthread.php?5703-110.26©(2)-or-1008.1.9-panic-hardware-in-electrical-rooms&highlight=electrical+rooms
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raider1
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225.35 only applies to multiple buildings supplied by branch circuits of feeders. Check out the title of Part II of Article 225.mark handler said:
Chris
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Wouldn't Section 1014.2, No. 3 apply?
2006 IBC - Section 1014.2, No. 3 and 2902.4 [P]: An exit access shall not pass through
a room that can be locked to prevent egress.
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2006 IBC - Section 1014.2, No. 3 and 2902.4 [P]: An exit access shall not pass through
a room that can be locked to prevent egress.
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raider1
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I see nothing in the NEC that would prohibit a door to an electrical room from being located in a bathroom.gbhammer said:
In fact I have worked on a rec center where the electrical room was accessed through the women's locker room.
Chris
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Chris,
It's going to come from the IPC & the IBC.
Section 310.4, from the 2006 IPC would make the door(s) lockable, if the toilet
room is for use by a single user. A multi-user restroom ( or in your case, ..a
locker room ), would have individual privacy stalls that have latches on the doors.
310.4 Water closet compartment.
Each water closet utilized by the public or employees shall occupy a separate
compartment with walls or partitions and a door enclosing the fixtures to ensure
privacy.
Exceptions:
1. Water closet compartments shall not be required in a single-occupant toilet room
with a lockable door.
2. Toilet rooms located in day care and child-care facilities and containing two or
more water closets shall be permitted to have one water closet without an enclosing
compartment.
.
It's going to come from the IPC & the IBC.
Section 310.4, from the 2006 IPC would make the door(s) lockable, if the toilet
room is for use by a single user. A multi-user restroom ( or in your case, ..a
locker room ), would have individual privacy stalls that have latches on the doors.
310.4 Water closet compartment.
Each water closet utilized by the public or employees shall occupy a separate
compartment with walls or partitions and a door enclosing the fixtures to ensure
privacy.
Exceptions:
1. Water closet compartments shall not be required in a single-occupant toilet room
with a lockable door.
2. Toilet rooms located in day care and child-care facilities and containing two or
more water closets shall be permitted to have one water closet without an enclosing
compartment.
.
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It was discussed at the framing inspection by another inspector. I was not aware of the conversation and the other inspector agreed that access to the panel was approved through the adjacent space. It wasn't ntil the final that I tried to access the panel and the space next door was locked and I was told by the contractor that I had to crawl through the hole to inspect it. That's what brought this thread to the forum.
By the way! Welcome to the forum! Weird though.....Join date of January 2010 and this is your first post???? I'm glad you decided to chime in but please feel free to jump in more often.
By the way! Welcome to the forum! Weird though.....Join date of January 2010 and this is your first post???? I'm glad you decided to chime in but please feel free to jump in more often.