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ICE

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This was sent to the permit clerk by an owner that intends to install an EV charger. It came with the bid from the electrician.

Owner: If I decide to have them install a full sized circuit breaker, does that impact the permit at all? Here's part of their quote:

Contractor:
Note: It is always preferable to install a full sized circuit breaker for your EV charger. However, because your electrical panel is already very full of circuit breakers we will need to install a thin sized circuit breaker. This is acceptable per both U.L. Listing and National Electric Code but may put more stress on the thinner circuit breaker. This may or may not cause this thin circuit breaker to fail at some future time.

You have the option to install a full sized circuit breaker, but this would require us to install a new sub panel, which would cost approximately $1,200. This is not necessary at this time if we install the thin circuit breaker, but if this is an option you would like to consider, please contact us to discuss
 

Joe.B

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Yeah it's fascinating how often people stubbornly push to get something they want without paying for what they need. It puts contractors in a tough spot because they are providing a service and they can't just say no to work that's technically permissible. "Customers always right anyways" mentality I guess...
 

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The job is a water heater replacement. The installer is an out of state contractor. I performed a virtual inspection with the owner. I asked for the single-wall vent to be supported rather than hanging on to the transite vent. I also asked for a separation from combustibles.

The owner called the contractor and was informed and I quote, "they do not take responsibility of the oversight if the inspection fails local government agency." This is a company that up-sells an expansion tank whenever possible. They tell the customer that code requires the expansion tank yet they will not go beyond the top of the water heater to correct even the easiest violation.

Now notice the vent for the furnace. It is single-wall that terminates at a transite pipe. While there is no prohibition for a water heater reusing a transite vent, that's not true with a furnace. The furnace is not being inspected at this time and quite possibly, has been approved as is.


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The correctin stated that cable is not allowed in a raceway that is in a wet location. The contractor....a California Licensed Electrical Contractor, asked me what a raceway is.


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I was expecting a problem with the GEC protection that I asked for ... but nary a word about that.


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Edison spotted the meter in the same location as the old panel. Note the cable guys plastic box that is mounted to the wall in the upper left corner of the picture.


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Sluggo made his usual mess of things.

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