Are grab bars measured to center of bar, or to start of return?

[Noel]

It is with HCID. I am checking this now with our CASp reviewer, as well.

 

[Yikes]

HCID has been in "once bitten, twice shy" mode since the VCA settlement. There are several areas where they have stated, in writing, their intent to go beyond code. Unfortunately, they do this at post-construction walkthroughs.
Obviously, I don't know what your refrigerator controls look like. But HCID has accepted "dial" type controls on cooking ranges, for example. Is your refrigerator temperature control dramatically different than that?

 

[ADAguy]

There is no "Goodhousekeeping Seal" for ADA, DOJ leaves it to the courts to decide.
As to your question the grip surface is the horizontal dimension.

 

[Yikes]

There is no "Goodhousekeeping Seal" for ADA, DOJ leaves it to the courts to decide.
As to your question the grip surface is the horizontal dimension.

ADAguy, how do you, personally, define the horizontal measurement along the "grip surface"? Do you follow the diagram in 11B-604.5.1 (see post #1), which appears to measure it along the centerline of the bar, including the part where the bar turns 90 degrees to die into the wall?

 

[Noel]

So according to US Access Board the length of grab bars "is measured to the centerline of the return"...

How is the length of grab bars measured?​

Grab bar length is measured to the centerline of the return, consistent with industry convention. This also applies to post-mounted grab bars. When attached at points other than the ends (e.g., “European” style grab bars), the length is measured to the end of the bar.

https://www.access-board.gov/ada/gu...ooms/#how-is-the-length-of-grab-bars-measured

 

[ADAguy]

I would agree, however, the way CASP reviewers are interpreting here in California is that it is measured to the graspable surface of the grab bar. So we measure to the interior side, not the center.

Welcome to California and, moreover, welcome to Los Angeles.

Mark is a "local" SCal guy.