Sifu
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I have a building with an existing 4-story open atrium (un-separated on all 4 stories). Not sure how it got there. T/I proposals for a remodel of a space adjacent to the atrium do not include 1-hr fire barriers or alternative glazing systems or rated opening protectives. Sprinklers and smoke control are provided but the exception in 404.6 stops at three connected floors.
In a nutshell I am trying to figure out how the DP has arrived at the conclusion that this is approved. (I asked them but they said they would have to call me back.) I don't think it is permitted in the IBC but I have so little experience with the IEBC I don't know for sure about it and I still need help!
Option #1: Using the IBC for the new tenant space, we would require compliance with 404, which includes atrium separation for the work area for that single tenant space.
Option #2: For an IEBC prescriptive compliance method, the code says that alterations must comply with the IBC, so that takes me back to option #1. However it also says that the existing building can be no less compliant than it was before the alteration. I read this to mean that in the course of the T/I scope, we don't look at the fact that the atrium is not separated beyond the scope of the tenant space. In other words, we do not increase the scope of work, we only enforce the separation for those areas covered by the T/I scope. Agree or disagree?
Option #3: For a level 2 alteration the way I read 802.2.1 (2018) the only way to have an un-enclosed atrium connecting 4 stories is if they comply with IEBC 802.2.1 exception 3 et al. Agree or disagree? In this case the space would not comply since #3.2.3 is not met (the building is carved up and a maze beyond the atrium).
In all cases I conclude that even though we can't retroactively require the atrium enclosure for the entire building be restored, we can require the tenant space to restore their portion of the enclosure. Agree or disagree? Have I missed an option?
In a nutshell I am trying to figure out how the DP has arrived at the conclusion that this is approved. (I asked them but they said they would have to call me back.) I don't think it is permitted in the IBC but I have so little experience with the IEBC I don't know for sure about it and I still need help!
Option #1: Using the IBC for the new tenant space, we would require compliance with 404, which includes atrium separation for the work area for that single tenant space.
Option #2: For an IEBC prescriptive compliance method, the code says that alterations must comply with the IBC, so that takes me back to option #1. However it also says that the existing building can be no less compliant than it was before the alteration. I read this to mean that in the course of the T/I scope, we don't look at the fact that the atrium is not separated beyond the scope of the tenant space. In other words, we do not increase the scope of work, we only enforce the separation for those areas covered by the T/I scope. Agree or disagree?
Option #3: For a level 2 alteration the way I read 802.2.1 (2018) the only way to have an un-enclosed atrium connecting 4 stories is if they comply with IEBC 802.2.1 exception 3 et al. Agree or disagree? In this case the space would not comply since #3.2.3 is not met (the building is carved up and a maze beyond the atrium).
In all cases I conclude that even though we can't retroactively require the atrium enclosure for the entire building be restored, we can require the tenant space to restore their portion of the enclosure. Agree or disagree? Have I missed an option?