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Auditorium allowable differences in Riser height

m.r.scott2u

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trying to get some clarification.
on riser heights in an auditorium with ramped aisles. In the ramp run where there is 3 sets of steps that have 2 risers and 1 tread. About 10 feet apart. The ramp is at allowable grade. So in the stepped aisles section 1030.14. 14.2.2 exception 1 states that where nonuniformities exceed 3/16" between adjacent risers a distinctive marking stripe needs to be used. So to me risers that differ in height, more that 3/16" are allowable if they are marked. My question is, up to what difference? Can you have one riser at 4" and the next one at 5-1/2"? as long as the distinctive marking stripe is in place, or bigger? clearly over 3/16" difference in riser height is allowed but up to what ?
 
trying to get some clarification.
on riser heights in an auditorium with ramped aisles. In the ramp run where there is 3 sets of steps that have 2 risers and 1 tread. About 10 feet apart. The ramp is at allowable grade. So in the stepped aisles section 1030.14. 14.2.2 exception 1 states that where nonuniformities exceed 3/16" between adjacent risers a distinctive marking stripe needs to be used. So to me risers that differ in height, more that 3/16" are allowable if they are marked. My question is, up to what difference? Can you have one riser at 4" and the next one at 5-1/2"? as long as the distinctive marking stripe is in place, or bigger? clearly over 3/16" difference in riser height is allowed but up to what ?
Exception: The tolerance between adjacent treads shall not exceed 3/16 inch (4.8 mm)

Shall not exceed
 
trying to get some clarification.
on riser heights in an auditorium with ramped aisles. In the ramp run where there is 3 sets of steps that have 2 risers and 1 tread. About 10 feet apart. The ramp is at allowable grade. So in the stepped aisles section 1030.14. 14.2.2 exception 1 states that where nonuniformities exceed 3/16" between adjacent risers a distinctive marking stripe needs to be used. So to me risers that differ in height, more that 3/16" are allowable if they are marked. My question is, up to what difference? Can you have one riser at 4" and the next one at 5-1/2"? as long as the distinctive marking stripe is in place, or bigger? clearly over 3/16" difference in riser height is allowed but up to what ?

Each set of 2 risers and one tread is a "flight." The exception states:

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Technically, the language of the code seems to allow what you are describing. From a practical standpoint, I can't imaging designing multiple flights of steps, each of which has one 4" riser and one 5-1/2" riser. The exception says that nonuniform risers shall be permitted "to the extent necessitated by changes in the gradient of the adjoining seating area." Is the slope of the seating area really so screwed up that it necessitates this much difference between the heights of two adjacent risers in a set if steps?
 
The code allows "Riser height nonuniformity shall be limited to the extent necessitated by changes in the gradient of the adjoining seating area to maintain adequate sightlines."

If you said each successive riser increased by say a 1/4" for sight lines, I'd say it was allowable. If I were a building official, I'd ask you for a sightline drawing to prove it was necessary. As a theatre designer, having done thousands of sightlines drawings, I know that you don't understand sightlines.

I can't imagine how you could possibly justify what you describe. I can assure you it would cause more fall injuries than if uniform risers. I could imagine steps every 10' or so serving tiers of seats - like dinner theatre or stadium restaurants - but the ramp between them is bewildering. And I think I can safely say a 1 1/2" difference in adjacent riser heights is never necessary for sightlines.

And by the way, the landings at top and bottom of each set of stairs, has to be level, not ramped, for depth equal to width of stairs. Combining ramped and stepped aisles while meeting code and achieving sightlines is about the most difficult assembly seating design I have done and gotten constructed correctly.

And those stairs or stepoed aisles - are they serving seating or are they connecting ramped aisles?

Happy to review at no cost if you message me and want to share a drawing.
 
I can't imagine how you could possibly justify what you describe. I can assure you it would cause more fall injuries than if uniform risers. I could imagine steps every 10' or so serving tiers of seats - like dinner theatre or stadium restaurants - but the ramp between them is bewildering. And I think I can safely say a 1 1/2" difference in adjacent riser heights is never necessary for sightlines.

The fall injuries issue was one of my first thoughts when I read the question. There are a lot of things that building codes may technically allow but which absolutely should not be done, because they're likely to result in fall injuries. And when those injuries occur, the designers are among the cast of thousands who will be sued.
 
The fall injuries issue was one of my first thoughts when I read the question. There are a lot of things that building codes may technically allow but which absolutely should not be done, because they're likely to result in fall injuries. And when those injuries occur, the designers are among the cast of thousands who will be sued.
I'm very particular to the point of sometime driving my architect clients a little crazy. Yes and inch matters. Yes I know you can claim a handrail exception but why when you don't need to? And don't get me started on equivalent sightlines for wheelchair spaces, acknowledging it's subtle and costs money. All part of what I call floorplate management.
 
I'm very particular to the point of sometime driving my architect clients a little crazy. Yes and inch matters. Yes I know you can claim a handrail exception but why when you don't need to? And don't get me started on equivalent sightlines for wheelchair spaces, acknowledging it's subtle and costs money. All part of what I call floorplate management.

Yeah. Ask Cinemark about sightlines ...

Or Ellerbe Beckett ...
 
Each set of 2 risers and one tread is a "flight." The exception states:

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Technically, the language of the code seems to allow what you are describing. From a practical standpoint, I can't imaging designing multiple flights of steps, each of which has one 4" riser and one 5-1/2" riser. The exception says that nonuniform risers shall be permitted "to the extent necessitated by changes in the gradient of the adjoining seating area." Is the slope of the seating area really so screwed up that it necessitates this much difference between the heights of two adjacent risers in a set if steps?
It's not an 1-1/2" difference in riser height, I was saying that as an example, over 3/16" is allowable if you add a distinctive stripe, is how I read it, my question was to how much over that. given that even with sight lines and the low grade ramp, the 1 step should be made 1/2 the distance of those 2 risers, but it wasn't.
 
It's not an 1-1/2" difference in riser height, I was saying that as an example, over 3/16" is allowable if you add a distinctive stripe, is how I read it, my question was to how much over that. given that even with sight lines and the low grade ramp, the 1 step should be made 1/2 the distance of those 2 risers, but it wasn't.

I'm sorry, but I have no idea what this means.

You started this discussion by asking if a variation of 1-1/2 inches in riser height in a run is allowable with the warning stripe. Now you're saying that the difference isn't really an inch and a half -- but you haven't said what it is. You also haven't told us if this is a new design you're working on, or if you are trying to analyze an existing condition to assess code compliance. It's very difficult to respond with any useful information when the question is so nebulous.

How about explaining exactly what the problem is? Then perhaps we can offer some applicable opinions.
 
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what this means.

You started this discussion by asking if a variation of 1-1/2 inches in riser height in a run is allowable with the warning stripe. Now you're saying that the difference isn't really an inch and a half -- but you haven't said what it is. You also haven't told us if this is a new design you're working on, or if you are trying to analyze an existing condition to assess code compliance. It's very difficult to respond with any useful information when the question is so nebulous.

How about explaining exactly what the problem is? Then perhaps we can offer some applicable opinions.

To me this reads like a hypothetical situation. The answer to his question I think was given: 'The only difference allowed in risers is that needed for sightlines, and sightlines would not require a 1.5" difference in risers.'
 
Can you give a quickie explanation for designing sight lines?
Late but here. I've attached 2 drawings from a current project that for the fixed chairs, but the section in upper right of first sheet is really the relevant information. The "daggers" are eye and top of head points,

Sightlines encompasses more than the line of sight over people and other obstructions between viewer and event, but that is primarily what is relevant for codes. Distance from the event, displacement to the side, and often overlooked overhead obstructions like balconies or upper decks are some of the other concerns.

Its all based on simple geometry and height of eye point and top of heads. I have used 44" for eyepoint and 49" for top of heads for a very long time, but some will use 44" and 48 1/2". All that is really important is the HCL - head clearance constant - which for me is 5". Of course row spacing - back-to-back - plays into this.

I believe most common is 2 row or every other row vision, intending you look between the heads of people in the row directly in front and over the heads of people 2 rows in front. Every row vision is wonderful but really only practical and perhaps justified in smaller drama performance spaces, where you want everyone to see people lying on the edge of the stage. Three row is sometimes mentioned but its really poor - trying to see between the heads of everyone for two rows in front.

Last piece, is what is the target that you want everyone to see. Front edge of the stage for purely drama, maybe waists or mid section of a seated musician, maybe chest and above for just a speaker - but I'd choose top of lectern. I don't do sports but maybe foul line in baseball or court sports. A lot of judgement, preferences, bias, and basically a design criteria. I'm in the group that believes people in upper sections should also see some of the people on main level to feel a part of the audience and the event.

Aisles used to be permitted to be 1:5 - like 6 to 7" row - pretty good. In my career, 1:8 was usual, 4 to 4 1/2" per row. Accessibility has made it 1:12 usually (you can still do 1:8 but meeting wheel chair space distribution is very hard and takes space). People complain about 1:12 - 3" per typical row.

The rest is geometry.

One interesting tidbit on sloped seating is varying slope. In the attached example there are two slopes - 1:12 and then 1:16. Three slopes is a little more common for me in larger seating. Ideally this would be a parabolic curve, but I'm not going to ask todays masons to so that. Worked on a old auditorium - 8 separate slopes - changed every 3 rows or every 8' - just 32" back to back. (Most of what I see and do today is 36" for performing arts; balconies might be more up to 42" for longer rows to avoid middle aisles. Middle aisles in balconies have to be top fed - more stairs and elevators - plus the guard at the foot of an aisle is an obstruction.

I'm still perplexed by the OPs case. One example of stair risers varying is Chicago White Sox - what ever its called today. The upper deck stepped aisles are long (early accessibility and they were required to but wheelchairs in front row rather than at an entrance level about a third of the way up) and I believe there are three seating riser heights - like 21, 22 1/2, and 24 - so steps are 7", 7 1/2" and 8". Don't quote me - 15 years since I looked at drawings - and my memory is not quite as good as it used to be.

If you see it on plan review and wonder, ask what the head clearance constant was used and what the all sights point is. It will make them think and probably be amazed you ask. One architect I know has worked on a lot of major league stadiums and arenas and I agree with his statement that not 5% of architects understand sightlines. If I showed work from my litigation work you'd probably agree.Screenshot 2025-08-18 164109.png
 

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