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Rick18071

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The lab on the left is accessible but the mirror is too high there, but the mirror on the right is accessible (bottom is under 40"). Sinks were existing, but mirrors are new.
Does the code require the accessible mirror to be over the accessible sink? 2018 IBC

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mark handler

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The lab on the left is accessible but the mirror is too high there, but the mirror on the right is accessible (bottom is under 40"). Sinks were existing, but mirrors are new.
Does the code require the accessible mirror to be over the accessible sink? 2018 IBC
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The code does not require a mirror
if you provide one it needs to be accessible
if someone is using the sink on the right, it is not accessible.
you have other issues, the pipes on the lavatory on the left, are not protected
the soap dispenser mounted too high, yes i know they temporarily have push bottles, how long will they be there, what happens when they are on the floor....
 
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Paul Sweet

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Counting tiles, the lav on the left looks too low to be accessible; as well as, lacking insulation on the hot water & drain.
 

Rick18071

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I did not require new mirrors the plans did. The permit was part of a overall upgrade of a office building which included new doors, new ceiling and lights, resurfaced parking lot, replaced HVAC systems, etc.
 

Gary Meerschaert

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Question: Is the rest of the restroom area compliant with accessibility for plumbing elements? If so, then wouldn't the sink, mirror, pipe protection and soap dispenser also have to be compliant, meaning the mirror would have to be above the sink that looks to be 34" above finished floor since they would have already met that reach requirement.
 

Rick18071

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Question: Is the rest of the restroom area compliant with accessibility for plumbing elements? If so, then wouldn't the sink, mirror, pipe protection and soap dispenser also have to be compliant, meaning the mirror would have to be above the sink that looks to be 34" above finished floor since they would have already met that reach requirement.
The new mirrors and towel dispensers are the only things that are now compliant with 2015 codes for accessibility for plumbing elements, the rest of it complies when it was originally built (which were when no codes existed here). Like I said the sinks were existing. The IBEC Level 2 Alterations does not make you update things you are not doing anything with.
 

mark handler

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The new mirrors and towel dispensers are the only things that are now complaint with 2015 codes for accessibility for plumbing elements, the rest of it complies when it was originally built (which were when no codes existed here). Like I said the sinks were existing. The IBEC Level 2 Alterations does not make you update things you are not doing anything with.
That will not protect the owners from a lawsuit
 

ADAguy

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Why should I care?
This is in a township office.
I am only allowed to enforce the State Construction Code.


I would never tell them anything from this site.
So let them hang for not complying? Disclaim, disclaim, disclaim; there is no virus so don't wear a mask (smiling).
 

north star

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...and Welcome ** Gary Meerschaert** to

The Building Code Forum ! :)

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Rick18071

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Why do you always expect me to make places comply to ADA? I have no authority to do so. I don't even know what the ADA says. If I fail an inspection for something not in the IBC I could get fired or even lose my inspection certification. Are you trying to make me lose my job?
 

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Tunnel vision you have, as an inspector you need to know these things.
Awareness is the key to being able to inform an owner even if he doesn't want to hear or plead ignorance.
 
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