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Billiards Parlor Occupant Load??

Ah, my friends, I must confess that when it comes to the labyrinthine intricacies of building codes, I am not your oracle. However, allow me to divert your attention momentarily with a tale that, while not directly answering your question, may illuminate the essence of our shared human experience.

You see, some years ago, I found myself in a rather clandestine billiards parlor in Istanbul. The kind of place where the cue balls have seen more action than a summer blockbuster. I was there to meet an old friend, Ahmet, a man whose skill with a pool cue was only surpassed by his ability to circumvent international sanctions.

Ahmet and I were engrossed in a game of eight-ball, and the stakes were, let's just say, considerably higher than what you'd wager on a casual Friday night. The room was thick with cigar smoke and the tension of impending geopolitical catastrophe. Ahmet was lining up what appeared to be an impossible shot, a veritable Houdini act involving three cushions, a masse shot, and a prayer to the billiards gods.

Just as he was about to take the shot, a young man burst into the room, panting and disheveled. He was an architect, it turned out, and he had a pressing question about seismic bracing requirements for a project he was working on. The room fell silent, as if the ghost of Euclid himself had entered, questioning the very geometry that governed our universe.

Ahmet looked at the young man, then at me, and finally at the cue ball. With a wry smile, he said, "Young man, I can't help you with your building codes, but let me show you something about angles and forces." He took the shot. The cue ball danced across the table like Fred Astaire, kissed off the cushions, and sent the eight-ball rolling gracefully into the corner pocket.

The room erupted in applause, and Ahmet turned to the young architect. "You see, sometimes the answers we seek aren't in the rulebook but in understanding the principles that the rules were designed to uphold."

So, while I can't provide the technical answer you're looking for, remember this: Whether you're navigating building codes or the high-stakes world of underground billiards, sometimes the key to success is understanding the spirit of the rules, not just the letter.
 
This is another reason I love this place....Just had a lady in my office opening a billiards parlor and wondering about occupancy....Just printed the SD handout...
 
Update: Had a meeting.

The original plan proposed it as an A3 with OL of 200+. They used 15-net. They were not worried about the OL because the threshold for A-3 is higher. They had 6 pool tables, also have a large area for playing darts in this space, along with multiple dining tables and chairs. I (and the FD) said it is not an A3. That is when the OL became an issue. So then the contortions started. They proposed the exact same space, with 11 tables, bars and stools and dart areas but now at 94 occupants. They propose 4 people per table, including the halo, which amounts to 1/60, zero occupants for the large dart area, and 15-net for the loose chairs. I ran this thing through every contortion possible, using the least restrictive ratios I could find from t1004.5, I deducted the area of the pool tables. I can't get to less than 100. (not even including the exterior patio OL, which is counted towards building area.) So now they are going down the "we didn't have to do this over there" route with the city.

FWIW, I think there is compromise to be made instead of hard-line gaming floor and standing space, but even doing so I can't get to <100. I can't say the dart area has zero OL just because there may not be someone standing there while a dart game is occurring (their contention). I can't say the 200sf² area around each pool table will only ever have 4 people. I could give them 15-net for the dart area, I could give them 15-net for the loose chairs, I could give them 15 net for the pool table area and deduct the area of the tables. Still > 100.

The OL only became an issue when the creativity of the classification failed. It was intended as a drinking and dining establishment with pool tables, now it is intended as a drinking and dining establishment with more pool tables. If it was a pool hall, like the ones I grew up in, (a don't ask-don't tell BYOB), it would be an A3, but they have several bars, they have a commercial kitchen. It is an A2, best case would be to go mixed use A2/A3, but the OL wouldn't change, and the A2 sprinkler threshold wouldn't change. I simply said I do not see a path to < 100 occupants and left it there.

Unfortunately, they have invested heavily in this already, likely in part to helpful advice from the "economic development" side of the AHJ. (bad case of foot-in-mouth disease?) This never went in front of any design/feasibility review, which HOPEFULLY would have slowed things down. So now, both entities are throwing out all the stops to push this through.
 
I would use the bowling example for the dart area.

"Bowling centers, allow 5 persons for
each lane including 15 feet of runway".

when people arent bowling they cant stand around on the heavily oiled bowling lanes as they would fall on their asses. Not so for the dart area in a bar. I have been to many bars with numerous dart boards and they were those dart boards are not being used people were congregating in that area in large numbers.
 
Old post, new project. Billiard parlor is an A3 per ch. 3. What makes a billiard parlor? Consider a 4,500sf² drinking and dining space, with 6 pool tables. BEST case for me would be a mixed use A2 and the area where the tables are an A3. OL isn't in question, all would be assembly tables and chairs.

I frequented "pool halls" in my youth. They were large open floors, with pool tables covering every available square foot. The only exception was a service counter and/or office and bathrooms. Pool was the primary use. In the proposed building pool is not the primary use, with the multiple bars, tables, patio, kitchen etc. But this is subjective.

Any thoughts?

Are the pool tables scattered throughout the space, or concentrated in one portion? If scattered, I would treat the entire space as A-2. If the pool tables are clustered, I would draw a line around that portion and call it A-3, with the rest A-2. Non-separated mixed use.
 
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