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BlueBeam Plan Review Take 2

Discussion in 'Plan Review Topics' started by jar546, Mar 4, 2019.

  1. jar546

    jar546 *****istrator

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    I would like to create another thread and ask if anyone has any experience with BlueBeam?

    I have access to it at work but zero training. I really can't use it unless I am at the main office so no time to even mess around with it but I hear great things about it.

    thoughts?
     
  2. mtlogcabin

    mtlogcabin Sawhorse

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    mtlogcabin Sawhorse

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    It is a 30 day free download
     
  4. Ty J.

    Ty J. Sawhorse

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    Excellent program. We recently started to do electronic plan review and are using BlueBeam.

    Will do way more than what we need it for. Key functions - stamps, area and length measurements, cloud and arrow annotations, text via note boxes, etc.

    Do you have any specific questions regarding the program?
     
  5. Sifu

    Sifu Gold Member

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    I use BB for plan review, agree with Ty, way more there than the tools I use. I am pretty new with it though and some bugs are popping up, but they may be less BB than our own systems. We use the Studio, which allows multiple reviewers and remote access. I think a lot of the bugs are more about how the plans are submitted but God forbid we place too many restrictions on the permit applicants.....but I digress.
     
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  6. Builder Bob

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    A great concept to allow multiple remote people to review and comment on plans...... Would be interested in seeing more first hand. City of Raleigh North Carolina uses it on a regular basis for multiple jurisdictions and departments to review plans together.
     
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  7. ADAguy

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    The State of California's DSA and OSHPD have converted all PC's to Bluebeam, no paper!
    Talk about a game changer for us "old" folks (learning curve, yes). We are using multiple screens on electronic adjustable height tables.
    Back checks are presently done in-house with the architect there next to us.
    Imagine doing sets with hundreds of sheets?
    Important that all details and sheets are hyperlinked or the process can really be slowed down.
    All PC comments are listed at the bottom of sheets (can run into hundreds) and are replied to be architect for verification.
    Eventually they won't even have to come in as reviews can be handled remotely.
    Takes lots of computer speed and storage.
    Welcome to a brave new world gang.
     
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  8. fatboy

    fatboy Administrator

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    Once you get used to electronic review, you will never want to wrestle a large set of plans around again! At least you got to start with good equipment and software. Last year when we started into it, it was, and still is Adobe Pro, with upgraded monitors on existing CPU's.

    Good luck!
     
  9. mtlogcabin

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    We use 60 inch TV's for plan review monitor and regular size monitor for word documents as the 60 inch will not be as crisp when reading the word documents.
    Fatboy
    Bluebeam will do more than Adobe Pro even on your word documents and it cost less. You can get a 30 day free trial and try it out. You will never use Adobe Pro again.
     
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    mtlogcabin Sawhorse

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    BlueBeam will also convert PDF's to other formats when you save them.
    PDF PDF/A TEXT TIFF JPEG PNG GIF BITMAP WORD DOCUMENT HTML EXCEL WORKBOOK POWER POINT and RICH TEXT FORMAT
     
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  11. fatboy

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    Trust me, I would love to move to Bluebeam, I have seen demos of it, I know the capabilities. And, it integrates with our TRAKiT software seamlessly. It is the higher ups that have not funded the move........yet. ;)
     
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    Only a matter of time, our excuse; think of all the trees we save (smiling). Small subs and consultants are being forced to computerise in ways they never imagined.
     
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    Does anyone use BlueBeam as a stand alone plan review platform? I don't see how but maybe there is something they have I am not aware of.
     
  14. fatboy

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    One of the benefits is being able to lock down your edits/comments, something Adobe Pro does not do for us. The measuring tools are amazing.
     
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  15. Mark K

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    My understanding is that these systems do not allow the submitting engineer or architect to wet sign the documents. This would potentially cause conflicts with state licensing laws. More importantly because the submitted documents cannot be encrypted there is no proof that the individual submitting the documents is the individual whos seal is on the documents. This would allow a non-licensed individual to impersonate a licensed engineer or architect. This has been known to occur.

    Another problem, while not common but has been known to occur, is when the plan checker makes changes to the documents without the approval of the design professional. While the plan checker may be well intentioned this can create problems. This is made harder to detect when the design professional does not wet sign the submitted documents or is unable to encrypt the submitted documents.
     
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    I may need to be educated a bit more on the workflow you are talking about. It is my understanding that the RDP submits sealed PDF files which are then reviewed by the building department who marks them up in BlueBeam which then, in return, creates a list. The only changes to a set of drawings are done in the CAD program after the changes are made and a new set of sealed PDFs are then resubmitted by the RDP. Is that not correct? That is how we do it.
     
  17. mtlogcabin

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    Jar you are correct with the workflow
    Bluebeam revu will not allow you to change a drawing. You can do many things with the revue program but changing a drawing created by someone else is not one of them.

    Bluebeam revu has the ability through their "studio" link for you and anybody you invite to look at the drawing at the same time and the RDP can then make real time changes to his original drawing if needed.
     
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    Use it for review, however still need permit tracking software.
     
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  20. Ty J.

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    We have the RDP electronically sign the plans (full seal w/signature still present) and submit.

    Red-lines are not changes, but are annotations that provide additional information. If you are altering the design, then you should be rejecting the plans instead.


    We enforce the following (specific to WA):

    What are the requirements for design professional signatures on electronic documents?
    Permit submittals, which require the signature of a licensed design professional, may be submitted electronically, provided the signed document is submitted as a “flattened” PDF such that all layers of text, graphics, and content are merged into a single graphic entity. See security settings below for more information.

    Guidelines for Electronic Documents on the DOL website. Refer to RCW 18.43, RCW 18.210, WAC 196-23 and WAC 196-33 for more information.

    A digital identification that is an electronic authentication process attached to or logically associated with an electronic document. The digital identification may include a scanned or digitized signature. The digital identification must be:
    (a) Unique to the licensee using it;
    (b) Capable of independent verification;
    (c) Under the exclusive control of the licensee using it; and
    (d) Linked to a document in such a manner that the digital identification is invalidated if any data in the document is changed.

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