Building Permit for Bridges?

[jpowell]

This sounds a little dumb as I get ready to type it... but....

Should I require the state department of transportation to obtain a building permit for a new bridge within our city's jurisdiction?

 

[cda]

Only if they are building a guard tower on it

Doesn't street or engineering permit it?

 

[steveray]

If you are the AHJ for bridges......yes.....here, we do not have any jurisdiction over any state owned building or structure. They do it in house.....

 

[Yikes]

In our part of the country, the space under the bridge is a residential occupancy.

 

[mark handler]

In our part of the country, the space under the bridge is a residential occupancy.

Cute . . . .

 

[Mark K]

If it is a state owned bridge I do not see how you would have authority.

If it is a private bridge then you should ask what standards have been adopted that would apply to these bridges. I do not see how the structural provisions for buildings would apply to a bridge.

 

[JBI]

If it is a state owned bridge I do not see how you would have authority.If it is a private bridge then you should ask what standards have been adopted that would apply to these bridges. I do not see how the structural provisions for buildings would apply to a bridge.

How about the Fire Apparatus Access Road provisions of the Fire Code Mark?

jpowell, In NYS public roads are the jurisdiction of Depts of Transportation. NYSDOT has Code Compliance personnel that issue permits, inspect, etc. Same for the Counties, who generally maintain all bridges that are not State owned. Small private bridges (and we have quite a few) would be under the jurisdiction of the local Code Official.

 

[jpowell]

JBI,

Thanks. This is what I thought. My city planner wanted me to be sure. It is a State bridge in the State right of way, so it is their jurisdiction. It bore clarification because the section (105) on what requires a permit is actually very, very broad. A building or structure... pretty much covers anything you want it to.

 

[Mark K]

JBI

Assuming you have full authority to regulate private bridges what standards and loading criteria will you enforce. Fire engines and trucks can be very heavy. Do you have an ordinance defining the loads the bridge must be designed for. Will you be using the structural provisions in the IBC or will you require they conform to the design standards used by NYSDOT?

If you have the authority to regulate you may not be able to require anything until your jurisdiction has adopted specific regulations.

 

[JBI]

Mark K,

If the jurisdiction has adopted the Fire Code then the minimum loading is specified - either a FAAR or private driveway would be required to accomodate the weight of Appartatus responding.

In some states water crossings (assuming there is one if we're talking about a bridge) are regulated by that States' Environmental Protection Agency (The NYS Dept of Environmental Conservation for example). So the engineering will be reviewed both locally and at the State (or Federal if waters of the US) level.

Personally, I would rely on a DPR using accepted engineering practice as provided for in the Code.

 

[SCBO1]

jpowell,

Interesting question, would you be doing the inspections? My muni would have to hire special inspectors if it were a city bridge. The state and county road and bridge departments usually have engineers on staff that I would assume review bridge plans and most likley exempt themselves from permit fees reducing project cost.

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