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Calif maneuvering space in unisex

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SLO_Stu

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CBC 604.3.1 mentions two space needed in regards to the toilet area. A clearance area and a maneuvering space. this is shown in figure11B-604.3.1. The question is whethere I can have a sink in the maneuvering space as long as it is outside of the 60"x56" toilet clearance area? 11B-604.3.2 says pretty much nothing can protrude into the CLEARANCE but does not mention whether other fixtures can protrude into the maneuvering space. The figure clearly notes the clearance area as the 60"x56" area.

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Wayne
 
Based on this.... 11B-809.10.4 Sufficient maneuvering space.....
The clear maneuvering space shall be permitted to include knee and toe clearance under bathroom fixtures.....
 
mark handler said:
Based on this.... 11B-809.10.4 Sufficient maneuvering space.....
The clear maneuvering space shall be permitted to include knee and toe clearance under bathroom fixtures.....
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Maybe I'm going crazy, but my copy of the current 2019 CBC only goes up to 11B-809.5.6 before jumping to section 810.
I don't see an 11B-809.10.4 in the current edition. I know that a new edition is going to be effective soon, but even in that one, I think that the new 809.10.4 is for adaptable dwelling units, not for accessible dwelling units and not for common area restrooms.


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ADAguy said:
He indicated 11B, not 11A on his response
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In the upcoming intervening code cycle, the state has revamped the code.
In the 2019 CBC 11B-233.3.1.2, it referred you back to Chapter 11A-Div IV for making adaptable dwelling units (applies to the units that are not otherwise already accessible under 11B). The flipping back-and-forth between 11B and 11A was confusing for a lot of people, so in the upcoming code cycle, they copied over all the 11A text into a new section 11B-810. The problem is, the new 11B-810 appears to me to be solely for adaptable dwelling units, so it doesn't directly address a public unisex accessible toilet room - - unless there's a part I don't know about. Also it's not the current code (though it will be very soon).
 
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Yes, as of July 2021 California will now have the following categories of dwellings related to mobility accessibility:

11A for private housing:
  • 11A compliant non-covered dwellings with no mobility requirements (due to original construction date, or to being in a nonelevator building and not on ground floor, or a carriage house, etc.)
  • 11A adaptable covered dwellings that are flats
  • 11A adaptable covered dwellings that are multistory units

11B for public housing:
  • 11B compliant units not required to be accessible or adaptable (no mobility requirements), due to being in a nonelevator building and not on ground floor
  • 11B units required to be mobility accessible throughout the dwelling unit (flats) - these are also considered ADA mobility accessible
  • 11B adaptable covered dwellings that are flats
  • 11B adaptable covered dwellings that are multistory units
And that's just mobility. There are other requirements for communication accessible.

I also add one other non-code "category" of accessible units, which I personally call "TCAC mobility units". This is for tax credit projects where the funding agency requires an additional % dwelling units to have all the interior features of an 11B mobility accessible unit, but they do not require additional dedicated accessible parking stalls to be reserved for that unit.
 
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