California and Hi/Lo drinking fountain exception?

[mark handler]

Ok, there may be code minimums but how many employees where there be?

CA code does not dictate that
Put a sign on it and leave it....
TOO many other things to dwell on.

 

[JPohling]

Back to this issue again as it is always coming up.
ADA guy to answer your question above a bottle filler does not require holding to fill. It is set on the fountain and it is filled by a sensor.

Also take a look at this document from SF and let me know your thoughts.

 

[ADAguy]

Would like to but can't seem to open it?

 

[JPohling]

double click then open with adobe? works for me

 

[Tim Mailloux]

11B-211.2 Exception states: Where a single drinking fountain complies with sections 11B-602.1 through 11B-602.9, it shall be permitted to be substituted for two separate drinking fountains.

This single fixture complying with these requirements usually refers to a combination hi-lo fixture instead is two individual fixtures. And until you meet the minimum of (1) hi and (1) low you cannot substitute fixtures. The IPC commentary is pretty clear on this.


1109.5 Drinking fountains.
Where drinking fountains are provided on an exterior site, on a floor or within a secured area, the drinking fountains shall be provided in accordance with Sections 1109.5.1 and 1109.5.2.

Code Commentary

This section establishes a reasonable threshold for the required number of accessible drinking fountains. It should be noted that this section does not require the installation of drinking fountains where none are required or provided. Chapter 29 (which is duplicated from Section 403 of the IPC) contains criteria indicating the number of drinking fountains that are required based on occupancy. There are spaces that are not required to have drinking fountains. Examples are spaces with fewer than 15 occupants and spaces that serve water, like a restaurant. Current requirements for plumbing fixtures (see Table 2902 and Table 403 of the IPC) stipulate only one drinking fountain per number of occupants for many facilities or tenant spaces. Through Note e, the provisions in Section 1109.5.1 and Section 410.2 of the IPC stipulate a minimum of two drinking fountains for these facilities and spaces in order to meet the high/low criteria. Additionally, the plumbing requirements would allow for 50 percent of the drinking fountains to be substituted with bottled water coolers (see Section 410.3 of the IPC). While the provisions in Sections 1109.5.1 and 1109.5.2 and Section 410.2 of the IPC would not prohibit the substitution, the requirement for two drinking fountains would effectively negate this substitution unless there were at least three drinking fountains required for a floor.

 

[JPohling]

Approved with a single DF with bottle filler. DF installed at accessible height with adjacent cup holder. Lots of jurisdictions will allow this.

 

[Tim Mailloux]

Approved with a single DF with bottle filler. DF installed at accessible height with adjacent cup holder. Lots of jurisdictions will allow this.

Which accessible height is it mounted at? ADA / ANSI specify two accessible mounting heights ranges. one height range for persons in wheel chairs and another height range for standing persons.....both are required by the accessibility code and both heights are accessible for different user groups.

 

[JPohling]

Accessible height for rollers, let me also clarify this is for an occupant load less than 30 determined by the CPC so a DF is not required at all.