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Can empty water containers be banned?

Texish

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My local bowling alley finally installed water coolers. I brought along my empty water container to fill and drink. I was told that I was not allowed to this but I could purchase a Styrofoam cup for 84 cents to use. Is this legal? It clearly is not good for the environment. These are very similar to the ones at most airports and other places of business. Do I have a point or is it his right since it is a private business? The reason given is that there have been people who bring in containers with alcohol. I understand that concern, but an empty container should not be an issue.


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Your question has nothing to do with any building codes however, that electrical receptacle might.

I agree. There is nothing in any building or plumbing or even public health code that I'm aware of that addresses whether or not patrons can bring drink containers into a place of business.
 
Your question has nothing to do with any building codes however, that electrical receptacle might.
Except that code requires a drinking fountain. Could they charge admission to the restrooms? Maybe free restroom access but a coin op dispenser for tp.
 
Except that code requires a drinking fountain. Could they charge admission to the restrooms? Maybe free restroom access but a coin op dispenser for tp.

Code requires a drinking fountain but does not require a bottle-filling station, and does ot require that patrons be allowed to bring their own drink containers into the premises.

This is not a building code question.
 
422.5 Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupter (GFCI) Protection for Personnel
(A) General. Appliances identified in 422.5(A)(1) through (A)(7) rated 150 volts or less to ground and 60 amperes or less, single or 3-phase, shall be provided with Class A GFCI protection for personnel. Multiple Class A GFCI protective devices shall be permitted but shall not be required.

(1) Automotive vacuum machines
(2) Drinking water coolers and bottle fill stations
(3) Cord-and-plug-connected high-pressure spray washing machines
(4) Tire inflation machines
(5) Vending machines
(6) Sump pumps
(7) Dishwashers


Informational Note: Section 210.8 specifies requirements for GFCI protection for the branch-circuit outlet where the covered location warrants such protection.
 
422.5 Ground-Fault Circuit-Interrupter (GFCI) Protection for Personnel
(A) General. Appliances identified in 422.5(A)(1) through (A)(7) rated 150 volts or less to ground and 60 amperes or less, single or 3-phase, shall be provided with Class A GFCI protection for personnel. Multiple Class A GFCI protective devices shall be permitted but shall not be required.

(1) Automotive vacuum machines
(2) Drinking water coolers and bottle fill stations
(3) Cord-and-plug-connected high-pressure spray washing machines
(4) Tire inflation machines
(5) Vending machines
(6) Sump pumps
(7) Dishwashers


Informational Note: Section 210.8 specifies requirements for GFCI protection for the branch-circuit outlet where the covered location warrants such protection.
Shirley it is a GFCI breaker...
 
What is the problem? People can still drink out of the water cooler for free.
Germs, I assume.

But yeah, not a building code issue. Probably not even a legal issue unless there's a covered reason you need to being a water bottle. Just a company policy that is, based on my very limited understanding of the state's laws, probably perfectly legal.
 
Even though a bowling alley may be required to provide drinking fountains, if there is beverage service as part of the business, then a drinking fountain is not required by Texas Plumbing Code 410.4. But in that instance, the restaurant is required to provide a container free of charge. (See code excerpt below.)

In this case, the bowling alley has provided the fountains, so they are under no obligation to provide a free container. They have also provided a dispenser, which is not required by code. The Owner has the right to limit use of the water bottle filler or to charge for its use, but it sure seems silly to not bottle filler use when there is a fountain bubbler 12 inches away.

I don't know you at all, so don't take this personally, but I'm curious: if I were to ask the Owner, would they say there is some other reason why they want to discourage you from using bowling alley facilities?
Are you a paying customer for bowling, video games, food or snacks, etc.? Do you do any kind of business transaction with them?
Are you a vendor/delivery person to the bowling alley, refilling you water container before heading out to your next delivery?

Or are you a person from the outside who only goes into the alley to make use of their code-required plumbing facilities, shelter, air conditioning, etc. but you don't do a business transaction?


410.4 Substitution

Where restaurants provide drinking water in a container free of charge, drinking fountains shall not be required in those restaurants. In other occupancies where drinking fountains are required, water dispensers shall be permitted to be substituted for not more than 50 percent of the required number of drinking fountains.
 
In this case, the bowling alley has provided the fountains, so they are under no obligation to provide a free container.
I think i understand the proprietors position, but … the OP is not asking for a free container, he is asking to use his own container, and management is saying no. Probably legal but not a friendly attitude. I was under the impression that bowling alleys are not as popular as they once were, so why would you want to upset the customers over something trivial? Is the 84 cents (plus tax) going to make the day profitable?
 
I think i understand the proprietors position, but … the OP is not asking for a free container, he is asking to use his own container, and management is saying no. Probably legal but not a friendly attitude. I was under the impression that bowling alleys are not as popular as they once were, so why would you want to upset the customers over something trivial? Is the 84 cents (plus tax) going to make the day profitable?

I agree. I think this is an incredibly stupid and short-sighted policy on the part of the owner ... but not illegal.
 
My local bowling alley finally installed water coolers. I brought along my empty water container to fill and drink. I was told that I was not allowed to this but I could purchase a Styrofoam cup for 84 cents to use. Is this legal? It clearly is not good for the environment. These are very similar to the ones at most airports and other places of business. Do I have a point or is it his right since it is a private business? The reason given is that there have been people who bring in containers with alcohol. I understand that concern, but an empty container should not be an issue.


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Needs an apron on the left fountain for cane detection.
 
I think i understand the proprietors position, but … the OP is not asking for a free container, he is asking to use his own container, and management is saying no. Probably legal but not a friendly attitude. I was under the impression that bowling alleys are not as popular as they once were, so why would you want to upset the customers over something trivial? Is the 84 cents (plus tax) going to make the day profitable?
Not casting any aspersions on the original poster, since I don't know him/her - - so consider this example a hypothetical.
Here in Southern California we have a substantial homeless population. That population has higher rates than the housed population of issues such as substance abuse / addictions, mental illness, etc. When they frequent an establishment, if they are perceived to exhibit antisocial behaviors it can drive away customers.
When a business offers free features that were originally intended for patrons but increasingly get used by street population, the requirement to pay 84 cents for a cup may be their way of saying "paying customers only".
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/14/g-s1-42699/starbucks-bathroom-reversal-what-to-know-open-door
 
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