Chain Link Storage Egress

[LGreene]

Is there any exception in the IBC that would allow a padlock and hasp on a large chain link storage compartment inside of a building? Imagine a warehouse with large chain link compartments - 800SF to 1800SF area each, floor to ceiling, or floor to high enough that someone can't get over it. The chain link gate/door may be sliding or swinging...lever-handle locks or sliding door locks with a release mechanism would be easy to defeat. If you think that a padlock and hasp would be acceptable, on what grounds?

 

[cda]

Must be a code section that addresses it

1. Occupant load is low, so maybe the 10 or less but that is door swing

2. Normally if storage only, once again should not be that many people in there at once and person with key or combination may be one of them

See it every once in awhile and for storage only have not gotten excited about it

Kind of case by case on if I would allow it

 

[tmurray]

Shouldn't be a problem if the padlock is not engaged when the space is occupied. These are seen a lot as storage spaces in apartment buildings.

 

[LGreene]

Shouldn't be a problem if the padlock is not engaged when the space is occupied. These are seen a lot as storage spaces in apartment buildings.

I've seen them plenty of times but I can't find a code section that would allow it. A regular storage room with walls couldn't be padlocked from the outside (right?)...would chain link enclosures be treated differently by the code?

 

[cda]

I've seen them plenty of times but I can't find a code section that would allow it. A regular storage room with walls couldn't be padlocked from the outside (right?)...would chain link enclosures be treated differently by the code?

I seen some chained and padlocked storage room doors, they run the chain through the door and wall!!

no should not be treated different than a regular door, but could that storage room door have a dead bolt on it???

 

[cda]

if the door does not have to meet 1008.1.2 2009 IBC for door swing, than can you say it does not have to met locking provisions????

 

[mark handler]

There is no code section that allows for habitable spaces to be secured with a padlock

 

[cda]

There is no code section that allows for habitable spaces to be secured with a padlock

how about a deadbolt, besides main entrance???

 

[mark handler]

how about a deadbolt, besides main entrance???

The term "deadbolt"is not in the code, assume it is a "Manually operated flush bolt"

1008.1.9.4 Bolt locks. Manually operated flush bolts or surface bolts are not permited.

 

[LGreene]

The term "deadbolt"is not in the code, assume it is a "Manually operated flush bolt"1008.1.9.4 Bolt locks. Manually operated flush bolts or surface bolts are not permited.

A manually operated flush bolt is different from a deadbolt. I Dig Hardware / I Hate Hardware » Decoded: Manual Flush Bolts (March 2011)

In my opinion, a deadbolt would be acceptable if there was no other latch or lock so it was one motion to unlatch the door by retracting the bolt. The deadbolt would have to be operated by a thumbturn on the egress side, not a key, and would need to be mounted within the allowable height range. If the doors are required to be accessible, the thumbturn has to operable without tight pinching, etc. There are plenty of deadbolts that meet this criteria and I would not hesitate to specify a deadbolt here.

 

[cda]

Ok guess they have to put door hardware on the chain link fence???

 

[LGreene]

Ok guess they have to put door hardware on the chain link fence???

It's done all the time. I'm not trying to be nitpicky - I'm not overly worried about a padlock on a chain link storage unit, but I would like to know on what basis it's acceptable, if it is. I could use some padlockable chain link enclosures at home.