Commercial Kitchens

[north star]

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Are Kitchens "required" in any Occupancy Group besides Residential?

Thanks!

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[Big Mac]

Not that I can think of

 

[steveray]

Not really....A2 maybe.....

 

[Frank]

Nope--not even A-2 can all be brought in or prepackaged

 

[north star]

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Frank,

I believe that you are correct in your analysis!

Thank you all for your input!

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[steveray]

Nope--not even A-2 can all be brought in or prepackaged

Correct!......that would be rare, and you can have a bar with no foodservice, provisions for cooking only required for dwelling units...

 

[north star]

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Is there anything in the NFPA codes that requires one,

...maybe on an I-1?

Thanks!

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[Yikes]

I'll take it a step further in challanging the original post: Kitchens are not *required* in residential occupancies.

1. There are plenty of residential occupancies that do not have kitchens. A hotel is one example.

2. In order for a residential space to earn the definition "dwelling unit", it must have independent living facilities with "permanent provisions for living, sleeping, eating, cooking, and sanitation." Note that the code does not say that a "cooking provision" = kitchen, nor does it define the method of cooking. Could it be a microwave? A fireplace with a cast-iron hanging pot?

[by the way, what are the code-defined "provisions... for eating"? Do you need a dining table to get a C of O for your house?!]

I once had a project that had a fully-functioning home-style kitchen, but it was not a residence: it was a life-skills training classroom.

 

[steveray]

Now the question is....Did the classroom range have a Type I or II hood?....

I'll take it a step further in challanging the original post: Kitchens are not *required* in residential occupancies.1. There are plenty of residential occupancies that do not have kitchens. A hotel is one example.

2. In order for a residential space to earn the definition "dwelling unit", it must have independent living facilities with "permanent provisions for living, sleeping, eating, cooking, and sanitation." Note that the code does not say that a "cooking provision" = kitchen, nor does it define the method of cooking. Could it be a microwave? A fireplace with a cast-iron hanging pot?

[by the way, what are the code-defined "provisions... for eating"? Do you need a dining table to get a C of O for your house?!]

I once had a project that had a fully-functioning home-style kitchen, but it was not a residence: it was a life-skills training classroom.

 

[pwood]

Now the question is....Did the classroom range have a Type I or II hood?....

neither one!

 

[Papio Bldg Dept]

neither one!

??? Is this because the domestic range is not being used for commercial purposes?

 

[pwood]

??? Is this because the domestic range is not being used for commercial purposes?

yeppum! :mrgreen:

 

[Polar]

You often see the requirement at the local level - like the local zoning req's. Typically in the definitions - I think a Dwelling is defined as having a place to sleep, bath and cook.

 

[Builder Bob]

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