Deep Fat Fryer Clear from Combustibles

[davesmith]

asking for a friend.. literally....

but they are being told that the deep fat fryer in the kitchen (small commercial kitchen) has to be 3 feet away from combustible materials.

they only thing I can find is in NFPA 54, which lists 6" for listed appliances, and 18" for non listed.

also, the inspector is referring to it as a 'class 1A kitchen'. cant say I have heard of that either?

(project is in Massachusetts).

 

[cda]

My friend says Welcome

 

[cda]

So what combustibles are you supposed to keep it away from????

Normally the vent a hood takes care of this problem

Have your friend ask the inspector for all Code sections they are referencing

So you all can research them

And also post the sections here!!

Will need what book they are coming from and which year edition.

 

[davesmith]

So what combustibles are you supposed to keep it away from????

Normally the vent a hood takes care of this problem

Have your friend ask the inspector for all Code sections they are referencing

So you all can research them

And also post the sections here!!

Will need what book they are coming from and which year edition.

Ya, I've asked and should be getting more info.

So far he's saying it's a building code reference (ibc I beleive we are on 2015 w/ammendments) bit I didn't see any reference there for what was mentioned.

An combustibles are wood framed wall (with 2 layers of gyp) so not exactly combustible.

It seemed fairly confusing and like someone was applying different code references.

 

[fatboy]

Agree with cda

 

[fatboy]

Also, pull out the manufacturers listing and specs.

 

[cda]

So is the deep fat fryer under a vent a hood?


What is the wall covering behind it??

Besides codes you have to meet the manufacture clearance requirements

It sounds like they are talking about what is behind the deep fat fryer

 

[mark handler]

The clearances are on the label on the appliance

 

[mark handler]

https://download.partstown.com/is-b...rtsTown-Site/-/en_US/manuals/P20-FR65_spm.pdf

 

[cda]

Here are all the I codes, that are fun to read

https://codes.iccsafe.org/public/collections/i-codes?state=I-Codes&year=2015

 

[mtlogcabin]

An combustibles are wood framed wall (with 2 layers of gyp) so not exactly combustible.

FYI
Gypsum I do not believe meets the definition of non-combustible under the IMC because it will not pass ASTM E 136 that is why it specifically states " and shall have a clearance to noncombustible construction and gypsum wallboard attached to noncombustible structures of not less than 3 inches

Find the clearance listing on the appliances
2012 IMC
917.1 Cooking appliances.
Cooking appliances that are designed for permanent installation, including ranges, ovens, stoves, broilers, grills, fryers, griddles and barbecues, shall be listed, labeled and installed in accordance with the manufacturer’s installation instructions. Commercial electric cooking appliances shall be listed and labeled in accordance with UL 197

 

[davesmith]

All helpful, thanks.

I've got access to the I codes, as well as local amendments, the problem is trying to match the reference to what the inspector 'said' without him giving the actual code and section that he's sighting. I'm pushing for that as you can't respond when you don't know.

And thanks for the manufactured listings, I assumed the NFPA 54 reference for listed and non listed appliances fell into that I just don't get 8nvved in that aspect so never looked.

Appreciate the info, it's all helpful when its like trying to fit puzzle pieces together....

Just reference the dam code you are sighting!!!! Hste inspectors that don't do that!

Thanks agsin!

 

[cda]

All helpful, thanks.

I've got access to the I codes, as well as local amendments, the problem is trying to match the reference to what the inspector 'said' without him giving the actual code and section that he's sighting. I'm pushing for that as you can't respond when you don't know.

And thanks for the manufactured listings, I assumed the NFPA 54 reference for listed and non listed appliances fell into that I just don't get 8nvved in that aspect so never looked.

Appreciate the info, it's all helpful when its like trying to fit puzzle pieces together....

Just reference the dam code you are sighting!!!! Hste inspectors that don't do that!

Thanks agsin!

So is the deep fat fryer under a vent a hood?


What is the wall covering behind it??

 

[cda]

Do you think he meant

Type I??

 

[Paul Sweet]

IMC 506.5.4 & 507.9 require 18" clearance for type 1 hoods and ducts. I remember having to use metal studs instead of wood behind a cooking line when I was doing design work.

If Massachusetts uses NFPA for their fire code, check NFPA 96 for cooking equipment.

 

[mark handler]

I don't thing the OP was talking about a hood.

 

[JBI]

An inspector or code official that calls out requirements without providing the applicable code citation is not doing their job, period.