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[permitguy]

You just confirmed they are now using the IBC as their base document, which was my point. Thanks for confirming it in your usual jacka$$ of a way.

 

[Examiner]

Now the plot thickens. Educational K through 12 in a Church? Assembly occupancies do not require occupancy separation if the Assembly is related to only Educational. Religious assembly is not considered related to Educational Occupancy Use groups and therefore, you may be required to have Occupancy Separations. There maybe some Code requirements to avoid Mixed Occupancy Separation but a complete plan review would be needed as I see it.

 

[gbhammer]

Mixed occupancy. No doubt about it. A3 only if the class rooms are being used for religious educational purposes. Not for a full blown school.

 

[brudgers]

You just confirmed they are now using the IBC as their base document, which was my point. Thanks for confirming it in your usual jacka$$ of a way.

Yeah, I can see how your ignorance regarding why NFPA 101 enters the equation was clearly communicating your depth of knowledge in the area.

 

[brudgers]

There maybe some Code requirements to avoid Mixed Occupancy Separation

Yeah, you have put the A and the E in the same building to avoid separation requirements...D can go in there as well for this project.

 

[permitguy]

Yeah, I can see how your ignorance regarding why NFPA 101 enters the equation was clearly communicating your depth of knowledge in the area.

I don't live or work down there. It isn't worth my time to dig into the legislative history of code development in FL, but I was curious and so I asked the question. I got an answer, too. That's how you learn, which I shouldn't have to explain, but am glad to do since you tend to be a little slow . . .

 

[FM William Burns]

All parties please put an end to the shots across the bow. Let's move on!

 

[DwightB]

Maybe images would help the discussion. The green area on the right is under construction now and is worship and education (K-12 weekday), thus the mixed occupancy for the project. The connection between the two is not a fire wall. The blue area on the first floor is Sunday nursery rooms and functions independent of the youth area. The pink area on the left is a large youth auditorium with sloping seats near the front, riser seating at the rear has 4 temporary classrooms. Exit capacity for the auditorium and classrooms can be accommodated via the stairs at the front, at the two rear corners, and at grade level exits.The white area in the center of each plan is the two story youth "atrium" or what ever the proper definition is. The only communicating openings between floors are the yellow areas: the basketball court and the two open stairs. We have not enclosed the stairs because we are allowed to have up to 50% of the exit capacity as open stairs. These two stairs are not even used as a part of my exit plan.Open areas on the upper level are used for a variety of youth oriented activities, mostly video games, dining, lounge, a conversation area, and table games. The glass wall around the basketball court on the main level terminates as a 48" rail on the upper level and brings on the suggestion of the "atrium" definition.View attachment 1117View attachment 1118

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