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Delivery ramp = means of egress?

Darren Emery

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1010.1 Scope. The provisions of this section shall apply to

ramps used as a component of a means of egress.

Given a newly constructed A2 resturant: If a ramp is primarly designed for deliveries, but very likely would be used as a means of egress (not a required means of egress) - does 1010.1 still apply?

The commentary seems pretty clear that 1010.1 applies to ALL ramps.
 
The commentary seems pretty clear that 1010.1 applies to ALL ramps
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But that is not what the code says.

2009 IBC

1010.1 Scope.

The provisions of this section shall apply to ramps used as a component of a means of egress .

If this is not on an accessible egress route then a ramp serving a kitchen for deliveries does not need to be accessible
 
mtlogcabin said:
But that is not what the code says.2009 IBC

1010.1 Scope.

The provisions of this section shall apply to ramps used as a component of a means of egress .

If this is not on an accessible egress route then a ramp serving a kitchen for deliveries does not need to be accessible
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That was my first take...however... it does not say "used as a component of a required means of egress..."

This ramp will be used as a means of egress - quite often is my guess. Its the most direct route from the kitchen to the parking lot, without going through the dining area.
 
This is very similar to discussions about exit doors. The code requires additional doors used as a means of egress to comply. It doesn't say required means of egress.

However, as I recall, when it was last discussed, the debate went on for pages.
 
Do all onsite sidewalks have to meet ramp requirements because they could be used as an egress component?
 
ACCORDING TO THE 2010 ADAAG IF YOU USE THE RAMP AS AN ENTRY/EXIT IT MUST MEET ALL THE ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS

2010 ADAAG 206.4.8 Service Entrances. If a service entrance is the only entrance to a building or to a tenancy in a facility, that entrance shall comply with 404
 
brudgers said:
Do all onsite sidewalks have to meet ramp requirements because they could be used as an egress component?
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The question wasn't regarding all onsite sidewalks. It was concerning a ramp leading to and from a building.
 
If the ramp is not on an accessible route or part of an accessible means of egress

1007.2 Continuity and components.

Each required accessible means of egress shall be continuous to a public way and shall consist of one or more of the following components:



1. Accessible routes complying with Section 1104.

2. Interior exit stairways complying with Sections 1007.3 and 1022.

3. Exterior exit stairways complying with Sections 1007.3 and 1026.

4. Elevators complying with Section 1007.4.

5. Platform lifts complying with Section 1007.5.

6. Horizontal exits complying with Section 1025.

7. Ramps complying with Section 1010.

Also

1026.1 Exterior exit ramps and stairways.

Exterior exit ramps and stairways serving as an element of a required means of egress shall comply with this section.

Don't forget to post the proper signage in the kitchen

1007.10 Directional signage.

Direction signage indicating the location of the other means of egress and which are accessible means of egress shall be provided at the following:

1. At exits serving a required accessible space but not providing an approved accessible means of egress .

 
texasbo said:
The question wasn't regarding all onsite sidewalks. It was concerning a ramp leading to and from a building.
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If you require a delivery ramp to meet egress component requirements even when it is not designated as part of a means of egress, then you must require sidewalks to meet means of egress requirements even when it is not designated as part of a means of egress because such sidewalks could be used as an exit discharge.
 
Given a newly constructed A2 resturant: If a ramp is primarly designed for deliveries
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New construction has to meet accessible egress requirements. You can't exit through a kitchen period, so the ramp serving the kitchen does not have to meet accessibility requirements. Post the proper signage that is required by 1007.10 at the delivery door and you meet code.
 
Builder Bob said:
For litigation purposes, the ramp should meet the same general guidelines.......
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Nonsense.

For the same reasons raised truck docks and preforming stages do not have guardrails.
 
mtlogcabin said:
New construction has to meet accessible egress requirements. You can't exit through a kitchen period, so the ramp serving the kitchen does not have to meet accessibility requirements. Post the proper signage that is required by 1007.10 at the delivery door and you meet code.
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Couldn't agree more, and make sure the sign is in braille too.
 
mtlogcabin said:
But that is not what the code says.2009 IBC

1010.1 Scope.

The provisions of this section shall apply to ramps used as a component of a means of egress .

If this is not on an accessible egress route then a ramp serving a kitchen for deliveries does not need to be accessible
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And this is the point when the question was answered correctly and we all move on.

If it had stairs and a landing outside of the door, would this be an issue? No. Still the same answer. Post the signage that this is not an accessible means of egress and identify location of an accessible egress.
 
The occupants of the restaurant shouldn't be exiting through the kitchen. The occupants of the kitchen may use a rear service and/or delivery areas as a designated exit, depending on the configuration of the space. Is there another exit for the kitchen staff?
 
2009 IBC

1007.1 Accessible means of egress required.

Accessible means of egress shall comply with this section. Accessible spaces shall be provided with not less than one accessible means of egress . Where more than one means of egress are required by Section 1015.1 or 1021.1 from any accessible space, each accessible portion of the space shall be served by not less than two accessible means of egress .

That's a big kitchen.
 
I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but that's never stopped me before. Why did we get sidetracked on accessibility? The OP asked about compliance with 1010.1.
 
Why did we get sidetracked on accessibility? The OP asked about compliance with 1010.1.
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Sorry about that and thanks for getting it back on track.

The correct response was already mentioned by Papio.

If there is a set of steps available to use in lieu of the ramp then the ramp would NOT be part of the means of egress and therefore not have to meet the requirements of 1010.1
 
To answer a few questions:

Yes, there is another exit that the kitchen staff may use. This ramp is by far the most convienent, and most likely to be used. The kitchen staff can either go out this door, straight to the parking lot, or wade through the entire dining area and go out the front door.

And to clarify - my focus was not on an accessible path, just the fact that handrails are required on ramps if the vertical rise is greater than 6".

And finally - what I was really getting at was the difference between a required means of egress, and a means of egress. If I walk out the door, and there's no exit sign present, is it still a means of egress?
 
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