Dental Surgical Centers

[PA21]

Would most of you classify a dental surgical center as a "B" occupancy (outpatient clinic) since there is no overnight stay, or an I-2 because they are put under for the surgical procedure and during that time they are "incapable of self preservation"?

 

[rshuey]

Most dentists use methods that do not render one incapable of self preservation. We asked a new dental office being built what they do. I would advise you to do the same. Pretty interesting stuff. Ours ended up as a "B".

 

[Glennman CBO]

I-2 (due to the lack of self preservation). Everything in section 407 aplies as well.

 

[Glennman CBO]

You might find out what kind of surgical proceedures they are doing. I had one recently that was only doing "sedation dentistry". They were a B, because by definition, they were still capable of self preservation. I believe the definition came from NFPA 99.

In your OP, you mentioned that they are not capable of self preservation.

 

[FM William Burns]

We call them ambulatory health/I-2 only if they knock you out.

 

[Coug Dad]

B if 5 or less persons being knocked out.

 

[FM William Burns]

Yep...thanks for the expansion CD.

 

[Glennman CBO]

Coug, Where does the 5 or less come from? Is that an amendment in your state? I'm in the '09 IBC.

 

[Dr. J]

Definitely not I-2. I-2 requires 24 hour stay. There can be an unlimited amount of people totally knocked out, and as long as they do not stay 24 hours it is still a B.

If you are under 2009 IBC, it would fall under the Ambulatory Health Care provisions of 422.

 

[FM William Burns]

It's a 101 thing and the majic # is 4.

 

[Dr. J]

Oh my! I see Glennman's point. The 2009 also changed the definition of I-2 (308.3). 5 people and 24 hours was in the 2006 IBC. So now any facility that renders people incapable of self preservation is BOTH an I-2 AND a B with an Ambulatory Health Care chaser.

Gotta love progress.

 

[Coug Dad]

What Dr. J said for 2009. These would still usually be a B

 

[Glennman CBO]

That's correct Dr.J. I recently attended a code update class, and this was made very clear. If the person is knocked out at all, sprinklers, and all kinds of other things are required.

 

[cda]

I wouldn't be rude, Yet

Welcome to the board

What code and edition are you under???

 

[brudgers]

Gotta love progress.

One day the ICC's Pokemon collection will be complete!