Dog Leg Door Stops

[Rider Rick]

California Public Schools with door stops on the inside bottom of an out swing door. Would this be a correction under ADA? If so who would be the JHA?

 

[mark handler]

"...door stops on the inside bottom..."

Can you clarify? Is it a threshold? Rabbited wood?

AHJ would be DSA.

 

[Rider Rick]

Mark,

It's just an out swing door in an exterior rabbited jamb on a class room. So when the door is open the dog leg door stop holds the door open and the stop is at the bottom of the door below the lock.

 

[mark handler]

"....bottom of the door.... below the lock...."

I'm lost, picture?

bottom of the door, threshold....

 

[fatboy]

yeah, a pic might be useful here..............

 

[Rider Rick]

The door stop is attached with screws to hold the door open a rock would do the same thing.

Photo if I can.

 

[mark handler]

The door stop is attached with screws to hold the door open a rock would do the same thing.Photo if I can.

Are you talking "kick down" doorstop? they do not meet ADA or CBC

 

[JPohling]

sounds like it is within the required 10" smooth surface at the bottom of the door

 

[Rider Rick]

Are you talking "kick down" doorstop? they do not meet ADA or CBC

Yes that's it.

 

[Rider Rick]

sounds like it is within the required 10" smooth surface at the bottom of the door

Yes it is within 10" from the bottom of the door.

Would you have the section number?

 

[mark handler]

2010 California Building Code

1133B.2.6 Smooth surface. The bottom 10 inches (254 mm) of all doors except automatic and sliding shall have a smooth, uninterrupted surface to allow the door to be opened by a wheelchair footrest without creating a trap or hazardous condition. Where narrow frame doors are used, a 10-inch (254 mm) high smooth panel shall be installed on the push side of the door, which will allow the door to be opened by a wheelchair footrest without creating a trap or hazardous condition.

ADA 2010 Standards

404.2.10 Door and Gate Surfaces. Swinging door and gate surfaces within 10 inches (255 mm) of the finish floor or ground measured vertically shall have a smooth surface on the push side extending the full width of the door or gate. Parts creating horizontal or vertical joints in these surfaces shall be within 1/16 inch (1.6 mm) of the same plane as the other. Cavities created by added kick plates shall be capped.

ICC/ANSI A117.1

Chapter 4 - Accessible Routes

404.2.9 Door Surface.

Door surfaces within 10 inches (255 mm) of the floor, measured vertically, shall be a smooth surface on the push side extending the full width of the door. Parts creating horizontal or vertical joints in such surface shall be within 1/16 inch (1.6 mm) of the same plane as the other. Cavities created by added kick plates shall be capped.

 

[Fort]

Another similar "No-No" is the use of Vertical Rod Panic Devices...They can be used with the "Up" vertical rod only, but that brings up other problems of just not being very secure.Better to use a removable mullion post and use Rim Panics.

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[mark handler]

Another similar "No-No" is the use of Vertical Rod Panic Devices...They can be used with the "Up" vertical rod only, but that brings up other problems of just not being very secure.

Better to use a removable mullion post and use Rim Panics.

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Yes .

 

[SCBO1]

rider rick, "Rock stop" not allowed! If I could post a photo of a "rock stop" I would!

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[pwood]

Are you talking "kick down" doorstop? they do not meet ADA or CBC

see those things used to hold doors open in one hour corridors with rated openings. pieces off the fire official in me.

 

[mark handler]

see those things used to hold doors open in one hour corridors with rated openings. pieces off the fire official in me.

 

[mark handler]

Proper use of fire extinguishers

Notice the bottoms are not compliant