Door swinging into each other

[gnarkill283]

Just received comments from DOB that our exterior elevator machine room door swings into the path of an exterior elevator vestibule door both swinging outwards. Can it be argued that the elevator machine room door is rarely in use and only by personnel thus the overlapping door swings is not a concern?

 

[cda]

Yeh
Did they give you a code section

and what year edition of code??

 

[gnarkill283]

Yeh
Did they give you a code section

and what year edition of code??

No code section given. The code is 2020 FBC

 

[cda]

I would nicely ask for a code reference

Than post it here

 

[cda]

Will you further describe this;;


“exterior elevator vestibule door”

 

[gnarkill283]

Its just a door leading to the exterior on the roof which could be used in a fire situation to reach the fire stairs

 

[cda]

Its just a door leading to the exterior on the roof which could be used in a fire situation to reach the fire stairs

Sounds like a stretch, Plus wont the elevator equipment room door have a closing device anyway???


With out seeing a sketch, can one of the doors swing the opposite way?

 

[steveray]

Shirley it is this.....

1005.7.1 Doors. Doors, when fully opened, shall not
reduce the required width by more than 7 inches (178
mm). Doors in any position shall not reduce the required
width by more than one-half.

 

[Paul Sweet]

Is this an existing condition or the result of new construction?

 

[gnarkill283]

https://ibb.co/R41F9wJ https://ibb.co/R41F9wJ The doors are not reducing any egress path. Its literally 2 doors 90 degrees from each other at a corner swinging into each other if the image links don't work

 

[steveray]

The elevator room door block more than 50% of the required width at the vestibule door....

 

[gnarkill283]

The elevator room door block more than 50% of the required width at the vestibule door....

So what you are saying is that in an emergency situation I'm in the vestibule and for some reason the elevator machine room door is open it blocks my exit through the vestibule door down to the stair core. What if I flip the swing of the elevator machine room door. In an open position it will not effect the swing of the vestibule door and then I'm ok?

 

[steveray]

Correct....And possibly....Still going to be tight, but better no doubt...

 

[cda]

So what you are saying is that in an emergency situation I'm in the vestibule and for some reason the elevator machine room door is open it blocks my exit through the vestibule door down to the stair core. What if I flip the swing of the elevator machine room door. In an open position it will not effect the swing of the vestibule door and then I'm ok?

Posting a simple drawing would help