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I am designing an R-1, 4-story, type V-A, 1-hour, sprinklered hotel in southern California.
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I’m trying to avoid using smoke curtains. In my hotel an elevator lobby is provided at floors 2‐4 on the double-door side. Smoke curtains have been provided at floors 2‐4 on the single-door side. A lobby enclosure on the ground floor isn’t needed (sprinklered). I’d like to keep things the way I have them.708.7 Openings. Openings in a shaft enclosure shall be protected in accordance with Section 715 as required for fire barriers. Doors shall be self- or automatic-closing by smoke detection in accordance with Section 715.4.8.3.[2010 CBC Section 708.14.1 #3] and [2012 IBC Section 713.14.1 #3] States: Enclosed elevator lobbies are not required where additional doors are provided at the hoistway opening in accordance with Section 3002.6. Such doors shall be tested in accordance with UL 1784 without an artificial bottom seal.My interpretation of the intent of the code is to prevent the propagation of smoke in to the corridor, and that an elevator lobby affords this protection. However, it seems Section 708.7 and 708.14.1 #3 will force me to have a smoke curtain/door, at every elevator door, on every floor. Am I correct in this analysis?I appreciate any assistanceView attachment 1791
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I’m trying to avoid using smoke curtains. In my hotel an elevator lobby is provided at floors 2‐4 on the double-door side. Smoke curtains have been provided at floors 2‐4 on the single-door side. A lobby enclosure on the ground floor isn’t needed (sprinklered). I’d like to keep things the way I have them.708.7 Openings. Openings in a shaft enclosure shall be protected in accordance with Section 715 as required for fire barriers. Doors shall be self- or automatic-closing by smoke detection in accordance with Section 715.4.8.3.[2010 CBC Section 708.14.1 #3] and [2012 IBC Section 713.14.1 #3] States: Enclosed elevator lobbies are not required where additional doors are provided at the hoistway opening in accordance with Section 3002.6. Such doors shall be tested in accordance with UL 1784 without an artificial bottom seal.My interpretation of the intent of the code is to prevent the propagation of smoke in to the corridor, and that an elevator lobby affords this protection. However, it seems Section 708.7 and 708.14.1 #3 will force me to have a smoke curtain/door, at every elevator door, on every floor. Am I correct in this analysis?I appreciate any assistanceView attachment 1791
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