Elevator shaft rating

[e hilton]

Saw this in my hotel in Nebraska. 3 floors.

 

[TheCommish]

I have seen that also, seem to allow deletion of the elevator lobby and cheaper than the fancy room down protective.

Having elevator door on a rated shaft without protective seems like an oxymoron to me

 

[bill1952]

Does that door have to meet the opening force requirements for accessibility?

 

[TheCommish]

^ only if it is closed

 

[walker.t]

I thought fire-rated doors had to have a label on the hinge jamb.

I was also wondering if this door needed to have a gasket, this thread came up in the search engine results:

Thread 'Gaskets at Fire-rated Doors'

Jun 13, 2016

Are smoke gaskets required at doors into a 1-hour fire-rated corridor? Is so, what code and section determines this?

Thanks

• fj80
• Replies: 4
• Forum: Commercial Building Codes

Assuming the door has self-closing hinges, this door has a closer and a latch, that requires 12” by the latch on the push side of the door per A117.1-2021 Figure 404.2.3.2(B), I doubt the elevator door is sized to allow for that 12” but maybe it is.

I’m so excessively compulsive, they should have lined up the grout lines on the floor, makes me want to take the stairs so I don’t have to look at that!

 

[bill1952]

^ only if it is closed

If it closed - presumably because it was electrically unlatched - does that mean a person with a disability shouldn't open it?

I thought the rating was at least in part to protect the shaft from a fire on the floor.

 

[walker.t]

Does that door have to meet the opening force requirements for accessibility?

Yes, the door shown would fall into the “other doors” portion of the following:

A117.1-2021 404.2.8 Door and Gate Opening Force
Fire doors and doors or gates required to be equipped with panic hardware, break away features or other factors requiring higher opening force for safety reasons shall have the minimum opening force allowable in scoping provisions adopted by the appropriate administrative authority. For other doors and gates, the force for pushing or pulling open doors or gates shall be as follows:

1. Interior hinged door: 5.0 pounds maximum.
2. Sliding or folding door: 5.00 pounds maximum.

Exception: The force required to retract latch bolts or disengage other devices that hold the door or gate in a closed position shall not apply to panic hardware, delayed egress devices or fire-rated hardware.

 

[bill1952]

Yes, the door shown would fall into the “other doors” portion of the following:

So since it's a fire door wouldn't it be 30 pounds per 1010.1.3?

 

[walker.t]

So since it's a fire door wouldn't it be 30 pounds per 1010.1.3?

Yes, thank you, nice catch. I misread A117.1-2021 404.2.8 to mean: “Fire doors [required to be equipped with panic hardware] and doors or gates required to be equipped with panic hardware…” But what it’s saying is, “[All] fire doors[, and any] doors or gates required to be equipped with panic hardware…”.

That 30 pounds is to set the door in motion, then 15 pounds to fully open the door.