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Exit sign placement

chris kennedy

chris kennedy

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I have a bar going with 2 egress doors very close to each other. Plans show an exit sign over each door. Customer wants to put large TV's over each door. Would the location below be acceptable?

Thanks

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Can't see whatever pic you put up, but if it's what I'm envisioning, in the middle? I wouldn't buy it, immediately over the doors would be my call. And, it's what is on the plans. Buy a bigger TV and put it in the middle if that is such a visible location.
 
would you need any exit sign based upon exception 2?

1011.1 Where required.

Exits and exit access doors shall be marked by an approved exit sign readily visible from any direction of egress travel. Access to exits shall be marked by readily visible exit signs in cases where the exit or the path of egress travel is not immediately visible to the occupants. Exit sign placement shall be such that no point in a corridor is more than 100 feet (30 480 mm) or the listed viewing distance for the sign, whichever is less, from the nearest visible exit sign.

Exceptions:

1. Exit signs are not required in rooms or areas that require only one exit or exit access.

2. Main exterior exit doors or gates that are obviously and clearly identifiable as exits need not have exit signs where approved by the building official.
 
yea would escept it as per the conceptual picture

in person might change mind

can they put one on the fire side of each door, as in two exit signs to the side and near the top of the door???
 
chris kennedy said:
Got a code reference?
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IBC 1011.1 says "...shall be marked by an approved exit sign readily visible from any direction of egress travel." It won't say it verbatim directly above the door, but that is a typical response where visibility over furniture and people is required. With two large screen TVs, it is probably the BOs call as to what is approved as readily visible.
 
cda said:
can they put one on the fire side of each door, as in two exit signs to the side and near the top of the door???
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Wouldn't that be part of 1011.3?

Tactile exit signs. A tactile sign stating EXIT and complying with ICC A117.1 shall be provided adjacent to each door to an...exit discharge.
 
Coug Dad said:
would you need any exit sign based upon exception 2?2. Main exterior exit doors or gates that are obviously and clearly identifiable as exits need not have exit signs where approved by the building official.
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Big clear glass doors that you can see Los Olas Blvd through? Good call, thanks.
 
mtlogcabin said:
That brings back 40 year old memories
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This place is going to be kind of retro, called American Social. I'm very happy with the owners (hands-on, on site daily during construction) and the design. Come down in the end of April and I'll by you a couple beers.
 
Where in America are 95% of the exit signs placed...... I would live to be there to see the first drunk walk into the center pane.... I might even have a few accident attorney cards for reference :D

Remember the intent of the code and human nature (common sense) ought to apply. Since the code doesn't spell it out in black and white, I guess the BO will actually have to make an interpretation. Regardless of the interpretation, I would ask for a written copy in case: 1.) the question arises again, you have documental evidence of consistency....... 2.) When attorney knocks on door (holding the client's card I gave him), it will take the heat off of your back if you aren't the BO.
 
Builder Bob said:
Where in America are 95% of the exit signs placed...... I would live to be there to see the first drunk walk into the center pane.... I might even have a few accident attorney cards for reference :D Remember the intent of the code and human nature (common sense) ought to apply. Since the code doesn't spell it out in black and white, I guess the BO will actually have to make an interpretation. Regardless of the interpretation, I would ask for a written copy in case: 1.) the question arises again, you have documental evidence of consistency....... 2.) When attorney knocks on door (holding the client's card I gave him), it will take the heat off of your back if you aren't the BO.
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My first thought also, drunk follows exit sign right into the glass.
 
Big clear glass doors that you can see Los Olas Blvd through?

As a kid with a bike and a Whaler I OWNED that town!
 
I have never approved that exception #2....if it is a multi bank of doors, I may let them reduce the #, but not eliminate....Don't forget those accessible exits(discharge) need the ISA in that sign or adjacent to it....as drawn I would consider the one sign, but would have apprehension with the drunk slamming into the window thing.....watched one guy during the superbowl walk into the same slider screen 3 times!
 
The idea that a person drunk enough to walk between two doors navigating by reading the exit signs rather than looking at the door is a bit asinine.
 
Yea that's why drunks aim for the flashing police lights on a parked cop car to hit
 
The idea that a person drunk enough to walk between two doors navigating by reading the exit signs rather than looking at the door is a bit asinine.
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You obviously haven't been partying with the right people. Or, maybe you have . . .
 
You have not stated whether the occupant load is such that two exits are required. If two exits are required, it seems unlikely that the separation between these pairs of doors is adequate to satisfy code requirements.

Someone suggested that the exit signs required by 1011.3 would suffice. The exit signs required by Section 1011.3 are for the sight impaired. They are Braille. The signs required by Section 1011.1 are intended for persons with sight. That is why they are lit. Maybe not as lit as the patrons, but still.

Section 1011.1. If only one door is required from this space, exit signs are not required. If main exterior exit doors are readily definable as exits, exit signs are not required. Typically this means that the exit doors look substantially different that the surrounding wall surfaces. See Section 1008.1 which states “Means of egress doors shall be readily distinguishable from the adjacent construction and finishes such that the doors are easily recognizable as doors.” That seems to be a significant question here.
 
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