Exit sign placement

[mark handler]

And how is someone going to die adjacent to to exit doors

Over the door or adjacent to the door is insignificant.

If that person is going to die it will not be due to the placement of this sign.

 

[Rider Rick]

Throw the dice and we will see.

 

[chris kennedy]

Well, I roughed-in on outlet in all three locations so I'm covered.

 

[permitguy]

This is hardly a case of "throwing the dice". In an emergency, most people seek to go out the way they came in. This is true even when a closer exit is available, which is recognized by the exception in the code. If this is the main entrance with glass doors clearly leading to the outside, it is perfectly justifiable to omit the signs. Provide evidence where exercising this exception actually lead to a death, and I'm glad to reconsider.

 

[chris kennedy]

I have a bar going with 2 egress doors very close to each other. Plans show an exit sign over each door. Customer wants to put large TV's over each door. Would the location below be acceptable?Thanks

This is what I'm gonna try to get by with. Pass or fail?

 

[mjesse]

My money is on fail.

Take 2 steps left and take another pic, looks like the ductwork will hide it.

mj

 

[mtlogcabin]

If you leave a full bottle of the fire inspectors favorite beverage on the counter in place of the used ones it might pass

 

[Coug Dad]

Why would you need exit signs? These look pretty obvious to be exit doors to the outside.

 

[chris kennedy]

Why would you need exit signs? These look pretty obvious to be exit doors to the outside.

I liked your line of thinking back in post #4 and still agree.

 

[brudgers]

Why would you need exit signs?

Darkness + panic + confusion

 

[Mac]

Technically we could probably find fault with the placement, but I think a strict interp of Chapter 1011 would lead to approval of the sign.

 

[steveray]

If it were lower, I might be OK with it......tough to say from that picture...looks like it could easily be blocked from view....

What about the tactile signs?.....Not over 300 people? No floor proximity?

1011.3 Tactile exit signs.

A tactile sign stating EXIT and complying with ICC A117.1 shall be provided adjacent to each door to an egress stairway, an exit passageway and the exit discharge.

(Add) 1011.1.1 Floor proximity exit signs. Where exit signs are required by Section 1011.1 of this code, exit access doors and exit doors shall additionally be marked by floor proximity exit signs in Group A occupancies with an occupant load of more than 300, Group B medical occupancies, Group I-1 occupancies, Group I-2 occupancies, Group R-1 hotels and motels and Group R-2 dormitories.

 

[FM William Burns]

Chris,

If that's your box (4th horizontal brick up) above the window and you move the combo unit there, I would have no issues with it since both door sets are within the "clear and obvious" definition/exceptions in all codes. Glad to see Los Olas Blvd. still has class!

 

[Big Mac]

The sign is way too high + I would expect to see an exit sign over each door. That is far and away the best choice. What you would like to "GET AWAY WITH" is not relavent.

 

[chris kennedy]

Chris,If that's your box (4th horizontal brick up) above the window and you move the combo unit there, I would have no issues with it since both door sets are within the "clear and obvious" definition/exceptions in all codes. Glad to see Los Olas Blvd. still has class!

That box is for show window lighting. I roughed in a box above each door and one in the middle where you see the sign to cover my butt. I'll get better pics of the building and Los Olas when the paper comes off the windows and doors, end of this week.

What you would like to "GET AWAY WITH" is not relavent.

What I get away with is of the utmost relevance. I'm out there building America, juggling many codes and BO's to complete beautiful, practical, profitable, and SAFE projects.

 

[Rider Rick]

Chris,

Keep up the good work.

 

[peach]

I may be thinking 22 century tech here... since in assembly occupancies, the music, etc needs to subside when the fire alarm goes off, it would be cool to see the TV screens flashing "EXIT" when the alarm goes off, too. OR just kill the feed to the TV when the alarm goes off.

 

[FM William Burns]

I love the flashing TV idea Peach.....that would be cool. I'll consider making a proposal to 101

 

[chris kennedy]

Update

Passed final fire as seen in post 53.

 

[Rider Rick]

It's only a problem.

God forbid.

If someone dies!

 

[chris kennedy]

It's only a problem.God forbid.

If someone dies!

People die all the time God rest their souls. Once the paper is of the windows and doors, even a drunken blond could get out of this building, I'll sleep like a champ.

 

[Rider Rick]

Keep up the good work Chris.

 

[chris kennedy]

Thanks Rick, bustin my butt down here to balance safety with productivity/profit. I post here to do my best to ensure I'm doing the right thing. (thats subjective at best)