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Fear the International Council Committee

Glenn

Glenn

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Forgive me if there is already a thread on this.

"The City Council considered adopting the 2009 International Building Codes, authored by the International Council Committee (ICC) at their previous meeting in March."
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"Several citizens spoke out against the codes."
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"We are built from the ground up, not from the top down. If you never read this Agenda 21 stuff or studied it, it probably sounds crazy. We are talking about the laundering of ideologies and philosophies. This is a United Nations agenda that they are trying to launder down to us. I didn’t believe it at first, and I have talked to people all over the state and they are completely clueless about Agenda 21. I don’t think they are bad people or evil people, I just think they are lost in this whole maze of organizations."
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"I would ask that you would stand for our sovereignty, our state and our nation. I wonder, what does an international entity have to do with local plumbers, electricians and construction workers. Are we not our own? We should remain sovereign."
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Get all the good stuff at the link below. I'm still wondering if this is some sort of satire news or something.

Mustang Times, City rejects building codes after citizens voice Agenda 21 concerns

What is Agenda 21?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21
 
What time to the black helicopters start to fly?

Amazing how if anyone wanted to know how the various codes are developed, all they need to do is ask a builing official or fire marshall, or a contractor. If they wanted the truth and not rumors
 
Brings up a good point, though... INTERNATIONAL is a poor title choice for a Code Council. It is misleading to the average U.S. citizen. The 'UNIFORM' Codes were a much easier title for the public to understand and accept.
 
Uniform sounds great, just ask any contractor that works throughout the state of Pennsylvania which adopts the ICC having the administrative regulations identified as, ta da, "The Uniform Construction Code". With that said, each municipality may amend the "Uniform Construction Code", so I would say the word uniform is striking out prior to and now with Pennsylvania's rebranding. Heck, we still have municipalities that enforce reg's that do not exist cause a joker councilman thinks we still have BOCA and he can issue a permit, override an inspector, bust down doors due to work without a permit or just wants something complete on the cheap for his or a friends house/business.

Up until this recently, one prominent municipality with a inspectors that want to rule the world required permits for almost all work without amendments to the Uniform Construction Code. The council and solicitor were dubmfounded when shown different. OK I'm done, tnx.
 
we are lucky in Massachusetts, state building code is just that .... towns cannot modify it in any way (except for the energy compliance) which Mass has a special above minimum code standard they may adopted. If you want to appeal a building officials decision it is appealed at the state level not local.
 
The idea of any type of "unified" codes is a complete failure; and you don't have to leave your state to see it. Just ask any contractor who tries to make a living in more than one city. Contractors need to hold inspector's feet to the fire on code violations (red tags). Most inspectors don't know the codes their municipality adopted; and most contractors find it easier to just adapt to the ignorance of the inspectors than to insist on "code only" requirements. Also, contractors don't have a leg to stand on when they don't own or have not even seen a code book. It is not going to get fixed unless "big brother" adopts a Federal set of codes and gives citizens, builders, and contractors legal recourse against municipalities ( requiring code enforcement authorities to reimburse contractors, builders, and citizens for costs incurred that are caused by inspector's errors and omissions. But, that ain't going to happen. I write only code violations I can quote from the code book and although contractors are sometime irritated; they do appreciate me not making up my own crap. Uncle Bob
 
" It is not going to get fixed unless "big brother" adopts a Federal set of codes"

UB I cannot believe you just said that! Holy Cow!!!
 
Uncle Bob:

Glad you weren't in the path of the twister, I heard on NBR today that only 10% of the homes in Oklahoma even have foundation bolts, not that foundation bolts would have been of much help there but it's an indication of the overall quality of construction there. Looks like you have your work cut out for you.

Jim:

The home I'm trying to finish up was designed to FEMA standards, upon submital the head plan checker told me that the code didn't apply because the home was too complex, I avoided many codes and standards (Sprinkler and Green notably) by leaving up a portion of the old home and building around it to qualify as a Remodel, upon demolishing the portion allowed to be demolished I found lots of insulation rot in the 50% of the exterior walls that had to remain, I called the field inspector and the first thing he told me was that he had no authority on this home, he took pictures of the situation and paved the way with the CBO for me to come in the next day and get a 10% waiver of the walls required to be left. I'd say FEMA taking over has already started, at least for complex structures. BTW, this home was permitted under the CBC not the CRC.
 
"Uncle Bob:

Glad you weren't in the path of the twister, I heard on NBR today that only 10% of the homes in Oklahoma even have foundation bolts, not that foundation bolts would have been of much help there but it's an indication of the overall quality of construction there. Looks like you have your work cut out for you."

Thanks, Conarb; and you are correct about the anchor bolts; and the implication that it is indicative of code compliance in most communities here. Another indicator is the local practice of installing purlin braces to ceiling joists instead of to a load bearing wall. High winds are normal here; and I have seen homes slide off foundations because of not using anchor bolts (they just tack the plates down with nails). Another practice that has been "the way we do it around here" is pier and grade foundations (piers about every 8' or 10' around the perimeter, with the stemwall unsupported and sitting on the usually built-up soil pad (not undisturbed soil). Support (if any) for interior load bearing walls is normally from 4" to 6" shovel scooped out of the fill. Another example is that you can take a "set of plans"? (residential); to Oklahoma city plan review desk; that consist of a room layout and back and front façade view of the home; and be approved while you wait. That is just three pages. I have been in building department offices where the IRC was still in it's wrapper (not used). In Moore, I have seen 3 and 4 hundred thousand dollar homes without exhaust fans in master bathrooms "we have one in the toilet room" (they call them fart-fans) and don't understand why they are necessary in the bathroom area. Just a few indicators of the attitude in most of the area. Oh, well; you get the idea. Uncle Bob p.s. What is NBR?
 
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UB,

Glad that you are okay.

It sounds like you will have one big headache trying to get the homes rebuilt to code. I wish you the best.

Sue
 
We have the same arrangement as our neighbors to the North.....It doesn't work as well as I would like, but it is a start....part of it is alot of jurisdictions have only one inspector.....and noone knows everything, so alot of them guess or let stuff go.....

GBrackins said:
we are lucky in Massachusetts, state building code is just that .... towns cannot modify it in any way (except for the energy compliance) which Mass has a special above minimum code standard they may adopted. If you want to appeal a building officials decision it is appealed at the state level not local.
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fireguy said:
What time to the black helicopters start to fly?Amazing how if anyone wanted to know how the various codes are developed, all they need to do is ask a builing official or fire marshall, or a contractor. If they wanted the truth and not rumors
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Last season while I was on a deer stand at my brothers a black helicopter stopped and hovered a couple hundred yards away with 2 guys hanging out the side, had my attention--Turned out they were inspecting the power lines.
 
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